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Offline DrewUniverse

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Draft Balance Pass
« on: August 04, 2016, 04:59:22 AM »
Hi again! I have some preliminary changes for you guys to look at. These changes are scheduled to arrive as part of the next patch for Infinity Wars, in the latter half of August. No release date yet, but in the meantime here are the changes. They are currently in place on the PBE Test Server.




Characters that are being banned from Command picks:
  • Hehkeem, The Corrupted
  • Evolving Parasite
  • Wealthy Noble


Changes in card Rarity (Common to Uncommon)
  • Zombie Scavenger
  • Plaguebearer
  • Gift Of The Passing
  • Summoner Of The Deep
  • Battlefield Scavenger
  • Adaptive Ritualist

Changes in card Rarity (Uncommon to Common)
  • Infected Pack Leader
  • Drag Down
  • Give Him A Jetpack!
  • Zom-B-Gone
  • Flame Dawn Commando
  • Tempus, Champion of Patience
  • Heaven's Assistance
  • Rubble Golem
  • Demoralize
  • Lingbao's Will


Cards reinstated for Draft picks:
  • Recycle
  • Gather Thoughts


Cards no longer offered in Draft:
  • Denial Of Flight
  • Weaponize
  • Dive
  • Denial of Advancement
  • Angelic Veil
  • Denial of Surprise
  • Reflective Shield
  • Vengeful Warrior
  • Honorable Farewell
  • Prayer of the Dragon
  • Suppress
  • Find Your Way
  • Radariah, The Untouchable
  • Field Engineer

Purity changes:
  • Forerunner of the Champions - from 1P Overseersto 2P Overseers
« Last Edit: August 04, 2016, 12:00:17 PM by DrewUniverse »

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #1 on: August 04, 2016, 05:06:12 AM »
1st

A lot of these changes are unnecessary. This nerf is far too severe against The Sleepers. Everyone knows that I hate the Sleepers, and when I say that this is too much, it really is too much. So let me go more in depth with my opinion.

KEY:
1. GREAT = I APPROVE
2. GOOD = ALRIGHT
3. FINE = ALRIGHT, DO WHATEVER YOU WANT
4. BAD = YOU SUCK, WHAT ARE YOU EVEN THINKING

Characters that are being banned from Command picks:

    Hehkeem, The Corrupted = GREAT
    Evolving Parasite = GREAT
    Wealthy Noble = GREAT

Changes in card Rarity (Common to Uncommon)

    Zombie Scavenger = GREAT
    Plaguebearer = GREAT
    Gift Of The Passing = GREAT
    Summoner Of The Deep = GREAT
    Battlefield Scavenger = GREAT

Changes in card Rarity (Uncommon to Common)

    Infected Pack Leader = GOOD, COMPENSATE FOR PLAGUEBEARER CHANGE
    Drag Down = GOOD, SURE WHY NOT
    Give Him A Jetpack! = BAD, THERE ARE VERY LIMITED FLYING REMOVAL
    Zom-B-Gone = BAD, DO THE SLEEPERS NEED TO BE COMPLETELY DESTROYED AT THIS POINT?
    Flame Dawn Commando = VERY VERY BAD, DO I NEED TO SAY MORE?
    Tempus, Champion of Patience = BAD, CHAMPIONS SHOULD BE UNCOMMON FOR CONSISTENCY AND SHE'S A VERY STRONG CHAMPION
    Heaven's Assistance = VERY VERY BAD, NEED I SAY MORE? THIS IS DRAFT AND WITH LUCCA ASCENDED/GUNS THIS IS A VERY VERY STRONG CARD
    Rubble Golem = FINE, I COULD CARE LESS
    Demoralize = FINE, MAKING MORALE DECKS VIABLE IN RIFT IS A GOOD IDEA
    Lingbao's Will = BAD, YOU HAVE GONE TOO FAR NOW, MORALE DECKS DON'T NEED TO BE THIS GOOD, SLEEPERS/DAWN ARE COMPLETELY DESTROYED WITH THIS CHANGE AND YUANSHI'S WRATH

Cards reinstated for Draft picks:

    Recycle = FINE, I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN MORE CALAMITIES, ADAPTIVE RITUALIST DOES THIS BETTER
    Gather Thoughts = FINE, SAME POINT AS ABOVE

Cards no longer offered in Draft:

    Denial Of Flight = GREAT, WHAT A USELESS CARD
    Weaponize = BAD, THIS CARD IS A GREAT CARD IN DRAFT TO COUNTER ARTIFACTS
    Dive = BAD, THIS CARD IS A GREAT CARD TO COUNTER FLYING OR BUFFING CREATURES
    Denial of Advancement = GREAT, WHAT A USELESS CARD
    Angelic Veil = GREAT, ANOTHER USELESS CARD
    Denial of Surprise = FINE
    Reflective Shield = FINE, THIS IS A GREAT ALTERNATIVE FOR REMOVAL
    Vengeful Warrior = GREAT, THIS IS A BAD CARD
    Honorable Farewell = GREAT, THIS IS A BAD CARD
    Prayer of the Dragon = BAD, WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS? THIS IS A GREAT CARD
    Suppress = GREAT, SITUATIONAL CARD
    Find Your Way = GREAT, NO ONE RUNS MISSIONS
    Radariah, The Untouchable = FINE, THIS CARD IS VERY FUN AND USEFUL TO HAVE
    Field Engineer = FINE
« Last Edit: August 04, 2016, 05:34:04 AM by ORISOLVE »
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #2 on: August 04, 2016, 05:17:51 AM »
1st

A lot of these changes are unnecessary. This nerf is far too severe against The Sleepers. Everyone knows that I hate the Sleepers, and when I say that this is too much, it really is too much.
It's not too much Ori, It was necessary to make draft playable again and not an auto pilot with 3p soa.
« Last Edit: August 04, 2016, 05:19:47 AM by ES [BoD] »
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2016, 05:18:39 AM »
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A lot of these changes are unnecessary. This nerf is far too severe against The Sleepers. Everyone knows that I hate the Sleepers, and when I say that this is too much, it really is too much.

Are you kidding me? those changes are literally perfect. Hehkeem can still be in the deck, there is no reason to have him in command. Parasite is INSANE as a commander, so he should be out. And I think plaguebearer being uncommon is a really smart choice because he isn't essential to the decks but having him not be an auto 3of will be nice. How could you even say these are 2 much xD the salt is too strong with you ori!

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #4 on: August 04, 2016, 05:20:29 AM »
1st

A lot of these changes are unnecessary. This nerf is far too severe against The Sleepers. Everyone knows that I hate the Sleepers, and when I say that this is too much, it really is too much.

Are you kidding me? those changes are literally perfect. Hehkeem can still be in the deck, there is no reason to have him in command. Parasite is INSANE as a commander, so he should be out. And I think plaguebearer being uncommon is a really smart choice because he isn't essential to the decks but having him not be an auto 3of will be nice. How could you even say these are 2 much xD the salt is too strong with you ori!

Exactly.
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #5 on: August 04, 2016, 05:26:42 AM »
I looked at these, knowing very little about draft, and nodded to myself that it seemed legit.

Then ES spoke out in favor and I know that he knows what's what with drafting, so I'm inclined to believe him.

Clearly, since my initial impression agrees with that of the Master Drafter I am well on my way to becoming a Master Drafter myself... or I can just stick to constructed.
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #6 on: August 04, 2016, 05:32:30 AM »
I edited my post and clarified my reasoning. I approve of all the top changes, but it's the combination of the other changes that irks me.
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #7 on: August 04, 2016, 05:40:29 AM »
I edited my post and clarified my reasoning. I approve of all the top changes, but it's the combination of the other changes that irks me.

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #8 on: August 04, 2016, 05:49:26 AM »

Characters that are being banned from Command picks:
  • Hehkeem, The Corrupted
  • Evolving Parasite
  • Wealthy Noble


I believe Radariah is also banned from Command picks as part of these balance changes.
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #9 on: August 04, 2016, 06:26:14 AM »

Characters that are being banned from Command picks:
  • Hehkeem, The Corrupted
  • Evolving Parasite
  • Wealthy Noble


I believe Radariah is also banned from Command picks as part of these balance changes.

Same with Adaptive ritualist from common to uncommon
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #10 on: August 04, 2016, 06:51:59 AM »
I can't help but believe that someone finally listened to ES (what I had been trying to push for a while now aswell). I strongly approve.

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #11 on: August 04, 2016, 09:43:06 AM »
i approve as well, mostly.
tho: battlefield scavenger. this card is garbagio. no need to argue about that. i would actually recommend removing it and not sitting in a slot where my overcharged storm could be  :P

another point i dont like is bringing back gather thoughts. meanwhile being very happy that recycle will come back, gather thoughts has no place in draft. its a combo card you know.

also PLEASE make blood arrow common. its a solid removal, its actually pretty similar to splat. so lets see splat: 2 cost, common, 1 purity, i like to draft it.
lets see blood arrow: 2 cost, uncommon, 2 purity, i dont like to drop a storm or death ray for it.
but i could easily imagine to pick it over beast of burden or burden of command.

heavens assistance: while i am entirely fine with the tempus change, this card could snowball fast as fck. not sure if its good to move it to common, but we will see.

for the bans: good stuff. i think there is more that could be entirely cut actually, but its a really good start already.

TLDR: i am mostly fine with the changes, looks good  :)

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #12 on: August 04, 2016, 10:44:15 AM »
heavens assistance: while i am entirely fine with the tempus change, this card could snowball fast as fck. not sure if its good to move it to common, but we will see.

for the bans: good stuff. i think there is more that could be entirely cut actually, but its a really good start already.


Yea, if the assistance change will prove to be a problem it can be easily reverted,  the idea was to buff oos a bit without breaking the other factions.

As for the bans... I wanted to ban more since a lot of the cards are simply outdated and unbalanced but it's defenately a good start and a huge improvement since the last draft change, really happy with these changes we made but it's in no way the final result, some things are still subject to change, time will tell i guess.  :D
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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #13 on: August 04, 2016, 11:27:43 AM »
Generally in this case any changes are good changes, I am against against reinstating Gather Thoughts though.

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Re: Draft Balance Pass
« Reply #14 on: August 04, 2016, 12:02:01 PM »
Update: These two changes were not confirmed in internal notes yet, but I'm positive they are coming and I am certain they're on PBE test server as of now:

- Forerunner of the Champions moving from 1P Overseers to 2P Overseers.
- Adaptive Ritualist moving from Common to Uncommon.

I'm currently waiting on confirmation for: whether Radariah was decided to be banned fully, or just from Command picks. Probably the former, just writing this here to be communicative.