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Infinity Wars => General Game Discussion => Topic started by: Ragnoraok on July 04, 2018, 06:01:51 AM

Title: How dead is this game?
Post by: Ragnoraok on July 04, 2018, 06:01:51 AM
The last major news I heard was when a mod told the community that the developers were not focused on the game, which was in a way an admission to abandoning the game.

This game used to be fun as hell and had arguably the best mechanics in any card game; shame to see it fall from grace. LOL, even the boards have been taken over by some guy posting links to an essay-writing site, which leads me to believe that even the mods have abandoned the boards.

Anyways, when was the last expansion or meaningful patch?

Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: SwatAK on July 04, 2018, 08:22:43 AM
Feelsbad to see the game at this current state.
It was really fun back in the day.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Oeilduciel on July 05, 2018, 04:13:24 PM
I view this game above most of the TCG in term of gameplay but unfortunatly the development has halted.
Even if Hearstone is a good TCG, it feels just too simple and it's hard for me to enjoy it, not mentioning the lack of good cards for my decks (i have to admit that i don't spend any money in Hearthstone).

I didn't played Infinity wars since at least 6 month. 3 days ago, i did some duels and do some trade with a player.
It reminded me the good times i had back then and i felt sadness.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Klassick on July 11, 2018, 05:41:25 PM
Well, the common answer one would have around here when we had a CM was:

"Hey XXX,

The team is working on other projects at this time, however, this is just a temporary issue and will most likely change in the future.

While I don't have any information on when the production process will resume, I would like to assure you that the game will not shut down anytime soon either.

So, the game is not 'dead' at all, but is not pretty 'alive' either.

That's why I say this game is something like a 'zombie'.

So, tbh, our situation here is exactly like this:

"All we can do is pray
In the darkness we hide and we wait for the light
And we pray
Oh we pray
Let us pray
- Pray, Gamma Ray

(hey, this one is for u mate! hahaha)
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Wayfinder1026 on August 04, 2018, 11:09:47 PM
Elphie Coyle mentioned on his facebook that a new agent coyle was being made. but he didn't specify for what game. or anything like that. I forget what it said word for word but... you can go on facebook and check it out if you feel like digging.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: IguanaMan on August 07, 2018, 11:52:01 AM
OMG a new agent coyle, what we have all been waiting for  ::)

The game is dead bruv, I've never seen a game revived successfully.  Player numbers dwindle until the end that's how it goes.  The only hope is someone takes the good ideas here (commanders, large animated art, etc) and make something new.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Candit on September 12, 2018, 02:48:52 AM
Shoddy management. The dream is dead.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: OneTwo on October 05, 2018, 06:28:57 AM
So i guess, IW is dead and they try to ride a new horse:

Dear Hero,
Lightmare Studios are excited to announce a premium limited-edition bonus battlefield in Infinity Heroes, available exclusively for existing Infinity Wars players who back our Kickstarter!

Back our Kickstarter now to receive long lasting in-game rewards. All reward tiers include hero unlocks, an invitation to early access of the game and a place in our backers Hall of Fame!

Infinity Heroes is a simultaneous turn-based strategy card game for mobile and PC which promises an evolved playing experience with the introduction of pre-defined decks that you can manipulate with in-game choices. Gameplay has been designed to let you jump into the action, whether you’re a casual player or competitive streamer. Games can also be played at a competitive level without spending a cent.

A spiritual successor to Lightmare Studios' cult hit Infinity Wars, Infinity Heroes revamps certain aspects of its predecessor to present them in a brand-new way. With a rotating roster of heroes, constant fresh content and updates that keep the game competitive and fresh, Infinity Heroes let’s you unleash your inner hero!

Didnt do much research if that is something for me, but somehow im in huge doubt.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Kevkas on October 18, 2018, 03:21:39 AM
Sad thing is... they couldn't care less about their players, old ones, new ones, doesn't matter... they are as greedy, unprofessional and backstabbing as it gets....
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Wayfinder1026 on October 25, 2018, 01:28:49 PM
Sad thing is... they couldn't care less about their players, old ones, new ones, doesn't matter... they are as greedy, unprofessional and backstabbing as it gets....

I don't think they're greedy. they're just oblivious.
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: IguanaMan on November 03, 2018, 09:27:39 PM
I don't think they're greedy. they're just oblivious.

How hard is it to open a browser and read the forum on your own game?   :o
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Wayfinder1026 on December 05, 2018, 05:46:10 AM
I don't think they're greedy. they're just oblivious.

How hard is it to open a browser and read the forum on your own game?   :o

I don't know. they used to be so passionate and excited about the game. i don't want to think they're inherently bad people. it's easier to believe they're just really dumb and don't know how to run their business. :|
Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: WWKnight on December 17, 2018, 03:16:56 PM
I'll do something I never thought I would do...

Defend Lightmare.

Lightmare Studios, and by extension Elphie, werent bad people.  Bad at management?  Oh sure.  Bad at design?  Absolutely.  Purposefully trying to steal our money?  No.  I kind of wish the answer were yes, because I think i'd feel better getting robbed than seeing Infinity Wars crash and burn the way it did.

I dont know if any of you know me.  I was the first backer for Infinity Wars.  I was local to one of the development offices (Yeah, they ran two offices).  I ended up visiting and hanging out with the team.  I ended up working for Lightmare.  I wrote the lore for Infinity Wars.  At least, what it was before Yodo took over.  I have no idea what they did with it.

I left the game after watching it stagnate for years, but I definitely feel like it was an amazing opportunity.  But between the head designer not really understanding game balance (which would have been fine if they implemented a development team), and Elphie INSISTING he got to put his finger in every pie (Around the fourth set he had to sign a contract within his own company promising not to push his designs any more, in return for an Agent Coyle in every set and a new dragon), and the loss of the three guys I used to hang out with (the main programmers and secondary designers) to proper mobile gaming companies, it was not going to last.

I was part of the Infinity Council, the team of passionate players they asked to donate a LOT of free time to test and balance new sets.  To give feedback on broken metas.  To explain what we want out of the game and what makes it fun.  We would have 4 hour meetings over voice chat nailing down new sets, only to find NONE of our suggestions after months of testing would be taken up. 

Again, I dont think anyone here was evil.  Ian and Elphie were so god damn passionate about this game, it was their baby. 

When I first found the game, I was totally taken in by its world building.  I asked for more lore.  constantly.  Daily.  Eventually I started writing my own.  Thats how I got the job to write it.  I was told my fanfiction fit the idea of where they wanted it to go.

So I met with Ian, who is the real brains behind the game.  I think Elphie is the wallet.  And we talked shop, I pointed out a few things I didnt like with his world, he agreed.  I signed on as a freelance writer.  I did massive multipage primers for each faction, discussing culture, philosphy etc, detailing little things, suggesting character arcs, suggesting overall faction arcs.  I wrote the original campaign missions which I was told would be voice acted and displayed how Yodo eventually did it (Was very proud to see that, even though they changed my work a fair bit.  At least they did great justice to Bromich!!! <3  HATED Lucca though).  I wrote 5 short stories for a number of different factions.  I think only one was ever released.  Aleta's Discovery, where Tinker discovers Sufferer.

I wrote style guides for the artists to follow, to ensure no men were drawn in positions of power in verore cards (ignored).  What sort of animals should be drawn in warpath cards to keep a thematically correct faction (ignored).  So much research into chinese culture for DoD (which was a faction added SOLELY to appeal to the chinese mobile market.  Fun fact) that was all ignored by the artists.

My stories werent released.  Ian didnt like where I was taking the story, but didnt have time to do his own thing.

And here is the main problem of Lightmare.  They had no communication between the offices, no communication between the departments.  No communication and no direction and too many cooks and not enough indians.

My heart puffying broke over this game.  I put months and months and months of worldbuilding into it.  I got paid $500 for my work, because I wanted to see my contribution in game, and I knew how much they were hurting.

They were not evil people, just highly incompetent.  They had an amazing idea (sort of... a lot of the game was designed by the fans in the original kickstarter comments.  For example, the concept of purity?  *raises hand*  Yep.  My idea.) that they didnt know how to grow or nurture.  And they refused to listen to thier investors, the people who bought the card packs and kept the game alive.

I wish Infinty Wars picked up.  Believe me, I have SO MUCH love for this franchise.  But it was never going to happen because Elphies Ego was too big, Ians grasp was too strong and Lightmares business structure was... unsustainable.

Title: Re: How dead is this game?
Post by: Akiko, Lady of the West on December 19, 2018, 03:33:20 AM
Hey guys, my name's Aki
I should preface this with saying, I am not a representative/employee of Lightmare, I am simply an active member of the community and (I believe) the only person who streams the game on anything near a regular basis.

Over the past year I've gotten fairly close with a few current Lightmare employees, and been given the opportunity to have a lot of questions answered in regards to the state of IW and LM as a whole.

To my understanding, the causes of the current state of IW can first be traced back all the way to development. Its clear that a lot of love and passion went into the game, which is why its lasted so long, however the underlying code was apparently poorly put together, creating many of the glitches and bugs that we still deal with to this day and no way to get rid of them without rehauling the entire client from the ground up.I wasnt present for this, nor for the first few years of IW's history, only joining the community around a year or so before Rebellion dropped so Im unable to comment on the management that went on during that time from a personal perspective, but from what many people say, it was a bit of a mess.

At a certain point, it became LM could no longer support IW and the game was sold to Yodo1 while LM was allowed to keep the rights to the assets from the game. Yodo, however, has not seemed to take any care of IW, there only real contribution so far being the fact they havent shut off the servers yet. Although not given the best base to work off of, the current stagnant nature of the development of further content for IW is due to Yodos unwillingness to do anything with it as its unrealistic to put any further effort into development as the effort would not realistically see a payoff considering IW's current profit margin.

At this current point in time, LM has moved onto their new project called Infinity Heroes.
Keeping with a lot of core themes from IW, IH is being built from the ground up with the knowledge gained from IWs development so that it wont become a coders nightmare down the track. LM community reprasentative JasonOCE has said that depending on the profits made from IH, new projects similar to IW MAY (big emphasis on the MAY) be pursued in the distant future.

For now, I believe we should keep an eye on the development of IH while we continue to enjoy this Schrodingers Cat of a game that is both alive and dead depending on the perspective of ones observations.

If you want to keep up with the goings on of the slow yet seemingly infinite decay of Infinity Wars, you can join the discord here:

If you want to monitor the development of Infinity Heroes and join in the pre-alpha "hype" the link to the discord is here:

And finally, if you want to ask me any questions directly, or check out my twitch channel you can seach me up at:



I hope this helped a bit, and until next time.
Stay Awesome.

~Akiko Mara