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Title: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: dougernaut on October 22, 2014, 06:47:59 PM
Now that Sleepers are rotating out of ranked play soon, what will you miss most?

I am going to miss my sujugated dragon resurrection deck.  That was a fun combo to play. 
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Pjoelj on October 22, 2014, 07:07:25 PM
"Soon" isn't what I'd call it - they'll be legal until the Rise/Infestation/Ascension block is phased out, which won't be until the Order/Oppression/Rebellion block is finished, three sets from now - that won't happen until, what, late 2015 at the earliest?

That aside, I don't play a lot of sleeper-heavy decks, so I'll mostly miss my Subj. Dragon and (to a lesser degree) Infested Scavenger decks.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Heaven-Canceler on October 22, 2014, 07:16:55 PM
Considering lore, isn't Genesis likely to get some additional Graveyard interaction mechanics in the future? The Virus is now safely contained within the tech faction. (Also meaning, if they ever get blown to pieces, it is quite possible that it is going to get spread again, though that is likely in the far off future.)

At the very least we will always be able to Play the Sleepers in the non-ranked formats.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: MerliniX on October 22, 2014, 08:57:02 PM
I will most miss Infested Knight + Fear + Ferocity combo.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: dougernaut on October 23, 2014, 12:19:16 AM
Considering lore, isn't Genesis likely to get some additional Graveyard interaction mechanics in the future? The Virus is now safely contained within the tech faction. (Also meaning, if they ever get blown to pieces, it is quite possible that it is going to get spread again, though that is likely in the far off future.)

At the very least we will always be able to Play the Sleepers in the non-ranked formats.

I have now seen the answer that the moose wrote to this one.  I'm glad to see that Sleepers will be ranked legal for a while longer (~9-10 months).  Looks like I was premature in the this post.  But hopefully people won't mind some early reminiscing. 
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: MrFahrenheit on October 23, 2014, 02:50:55 AM
FD Sleepers have been one of my favorite deck types since the beginning. Just having Aleta, Immortal Sufferer as a commander gives decent staying power to FD. Overwhelming Dead and Aleta work great with Bromich's Banner. Overwhelming dead and Aleta also really feed strength in numbers. Strength in numbers or infectious transfusion are really nasty on Emberstarter. It all adds up to a really scary mid game that is unfortunately completely helpless against aoe.

I've also done some playing around with two purity sleepers and one purity verore. I run three Risen of Avarrach, three infest and two recurring nightmares. The deck basically tries to play the long game and get the most value out of the above cards. It does decent. The always hated fear/desolation combo along with boomy and all of Verores other one purity removal can keep you pretty safe while the endless tide of zombies eventually wears the opponent down.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Osamaru on November 17, 2014, 04:50:53 AM
Wait, so what is Happening here? I don't keep up with the news.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Pjoelj on November 17, 2014, 07:33:32 AM
Wait, so what is Happening here? I don't keep up with the news.
This (http://forum.lightmare.com.au/index.php?topic=63105.0) should explain the situation.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Trevinburgh on November 17, 2014, 08:22:16 AM
The thing I love most about Sleepers is being able to take the opponent's treasured cards and use them against them. Winning a game with my opponent's cards never gets old for me.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: DrayGon777 on November 17, 2014, 11:39:16 AM
The thing I love most about Sleepers is being able to take the opponent's treasured cards and use them against them. Winning a game with my opponent's cards never gets old for me.
The Star Trek set should still help give you this feeling. Then again you'd have to play infinite mode to play them and at that point you may as well still play Sleepers.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: ceces on November 20, 2014, 10:19:05 PM
tome of the dead :(
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Antimony on December 10, 2014, 11:23:13 PM
I'm gonna miss graveyard mechanics in general. My main deck runs on Hehkeem, The Corrupted so it's gonna be devastating to lose.  :'(

Considering lore, isn't Genesis likely to get some additional Graveyard interaction mechanics in the future? The Virus is now safely contained within the tech faction. (Also meaning, if they ever get blown to pieces, it is quite possible that it is going to get spread again, though that is likely in the far off future.)

At the very least we will always be able to Play the Sleepers in the non-ranked formats.
I really hope they make some mercenary purity cards of Genesis/Sleepers that can be used after the rotation. That way there will still be some graveyard interaction besides unending drones.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: wyrmberg on December 11, 2014, 03:33:17 PM
Everything. I play all factions and many combinations and of the lot, the Sleepers deck has given me the most wins (and some of the most satisfying wins too). With the exception of the Overseers deck (which I don't play that much as it tends to cheese people off), it is my go-to guaranteed-win deck. OK, I don't win every time but it even gives Overseers a run for their money.

However, having said that, I'll certainly continue to play them in the Infinity games from which they will never be cycled out.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Vertu Honagan on December 11, 2014, 03:41:56 PM
Everything. I play all factions and many combinations and of the lot, the Sleepers deck has given me the most wins (and some of the most satisfying wins too). With the exception of the Overseers deck (which I don't play that much as it tends to cheese people off), it is my go-to guaranteed-win deck. OK, I don't win every time but it even gives Overseers a run for their money.

However, having said that, I'll certainly continue to play them in the Infinity games from which they will never be cycled out.

I'm a lot like you except my best decks are out of Exiles and Warpath. I play every single faction pretty evenly actually and I will greatly miss Recurring Nightmare. He's my favorite Sleepers card right now. Also some of the sweet abilities like Eaten by Zombies, Virus of Avarrach, and Avarach has Risen.

I will miss being able to use my Shrine deck. Without Fear Shrine decks are going to be pretty much useless unless something comes out in the next few sets to aid that deck strategy. Also with DoD severely lacking counters to flying.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: goobypls on December 11, 2014, 04:29:54 PM
The art! :) The combination of zombies and robots is brilliant. Plaguebearer, Converted Prototype, Undeath Wish, Recurring Nightmare and Dead Feaster are some of my all-time favourites.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: w4golf on December 11, 2014, 04:56:00 PM
Not exactly my deck that wins the most (Verore and OS for me), but I play all factions, and love the playstyle of the Sleepers and Exiles the most (both some of my worst win-percentage factions).
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: mik1o on December 11, 2014, 07:56:51 PM
Using Zom-B-Gone on them  ;D
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Clearbeard on December 14, 2014, 05:43:44 AM
I will miss being able to use my Shrine deck. Without Fear Shrine decks are going to be pretty much useless unless something comes out in the next few sets to aid that deck strategy. Also with DoD severely lacking counters to flying.

Well, since Shrine will be cycled out at the same time as Fear, this is sort of moot. :P
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: khadoran on January 02, 2015, 04:52:50 PM
There are some really cool cards there il miss not being able to try out because the pack gods didnt let me into the faction lol.

I got mostly flamedawn, but its a faction im ok with so cant complain i guess.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: ndclub on January 10, 2015, 08:38:11 PM
I will miss just about everything about them. As much as I like infinity wars, the decision to phase out sleepers seems to be the most short sighted decision. I get that mechanically they dont come off the way they wanted but this can always be fixed with effort.

Thematically they are the best side to me by far. Very few card games make such fun use of discard mechanics and I cant think of any card game with an art theme as cool as robot zombies. To throw all this away considering how many thematically dead sides there are(overseers and warpath definitely come to mind...) still makes no sense to me.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Crimes on January 10, 2015, 10:03:30 PM
Graveyard mechanics in general, Corrupted Hehkeem was my first main deck and probably the reason I fell in love with IW. Also my Avvarach has risen stall deck that shouldnt work, I will miss greatly.
 
Tome of the dead: I hope this card gets some sort of a reprint, it makes so many stall decks possible.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Conquest on February 23, 2015, 04:07:08 AM
I'm gonna miss all the weird and gimmicky decks I manage to make with them...

And everything else

RIP  :'(
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Junker99 on February 23, 2015, 04:32:36 AM
I'm going to miss the awesome music, the insane and neat undead art the devs do for them.  Also that feeling of when I pop heaven's intervention on a zombie swarm deck. Also must get more sleeper cards before it's too late.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: NatoPotato on February 23, 2015, 07:29:47 AM
I'm gonna miss running a sleepers deck with GI splash, getting matched against people running overseers, seeing them get to the point where they're just waiting for me to concede and then chucking a dead feaster in defense, constructing stuff onto it and giving it a jetpack.

Good times, saw a few tantrums but most people were cool.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: comradbrody on March 16, 2015, 02:50:09 AM
I'm gonna miss running a sleepers deck with GI splash, getting matched against people running overseers, seeing them get to the point where they're just waiting for me to concede and then chucking a dead feaster in defense, constructing stuff onto it and giving it a jetpack.

Good times, saw a few tantrums but most people were cool.
I agree with that statement. Those feels...
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: exoduz on March 16, 2015, 02:03:11 PM
Obviously the feels when you ressurect everything in your graveyard with Hehkeem.!
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: SleepingWolf on June 14, 2015, 05:11:06 AM
Frankly I'm going to miss them period.. I love their mechanics I'm kinda annoyed LM made them to kill them off to make an actual faction...
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: HellWraith on April 04, 2016, 01:28:55 AM
Killing off a faction is not a good idea.  I really think they should give this some thought (and decide to not do this).  At this point I think IW should try to grow their fanbase, there is not an overwhelming amount of cards yet so rotating isnt really neccessary.

Also the reason I picked THIS GAME is because it was a game that had a playable UNDEAD element.  (sleepers)

If you're going to get rid of a faction, take out star trek  :(
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Benionin on April 04, 2016, 01:39:24 AM
Killing off a faction is not a good idea.  I really think they should give this some thought (and decide to not do this).  At this point I think IW should try to grow their fanbase, there is not an overwhelming amount of cards yet so rotating isnt really neccessary.

Also the reason I picked THIS GAME is because it was a game that had a playable UNDEAD element.  (sleepers)

If you're going to get rid of a faction, take out star trek  :(

Firstly, I'm not sure if you understand how rotation was going to work. The sleeper cards wouldn't disappear and you could continue playing them (outside ranked) but no new sleeper cards would be printed. At some point the Sleepers may rise again, etc etc.

Note how I said "was." The Devs have stated that plans to rotate out factions have currently been put on hold (indeed, the new way that packs are sold goes directly against the way that rotation was planned to work). So the Sleepers won't be going away anytime soon. More importantly, they wouldn't have rotated until the next set comes out, and right now when that will be is anyone's guess.

As a final note, the Star Trek (and Omni) cards are not ranked legal. They're not seeing any new cards. And they're no longer available in the story. They hardly even count as a faction to begin with.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Hacker on April 04, 2016, 02:47:30 AM
Firstly I don't think I shall have to miss anything about them as I don't think they will get rotated.

I would take those ideas of rotation out of your mind for the moment, things are not what they were 6 or 12 months ago and to be honest there is no real reason to rotate them.

I will bet they get new cards next set.
Title: Re: What will you miss most about Sleepers
Post by: Hiding on April 04, 2016, 02:54:46 AM
They gon be back is I bet its a very deep joke [cuz they zombies]