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Title: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 21, 2013, 03:49:26 PM
Hello ladies(?) and gentlemen. I've decided that it is time this game had some general trading guidelines for newcomers, hopefully this will help any and all newbies - and perhaps even some veterans - make the most out of their current collection. First, however, I'll add a short introduction to this guide.

Some of you may be asking yourselves 'why should I trust THIS guy to make up the values for MY cards?' - the answer is, you shouldn't. This guide is made using my own personal values, and until we have an open trading platform with some form of currency to use we each make our own subjective values (we may continue to do so after such a platform is introduced, but then we at least have objective standards to judge it by).

The less serious, and perhaps more offensive, answer is - because I was born into a Jewish family. Yes, you heard it here. Now you know two things:
1. This guide is going to be useful for anyone that's into trading, as 'my people' are good with all forms of exchange
2. You ought to tread carefully when trading with me

Now, on to the guide!


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Section A -  Tier Listing:

This is the tiresome part, I'm going to make a list of all the cards sorted out by TIERS of value (rarity + tier), this should be used as a reference guide. The tiers can and should be judged by your own values, and if you lack specific cards or simply wish to collect specific cards you may place higher value on some of the cards that I didn't think were worth a top-tier mention.

I'm using asterisks (***) to differentiate even further within the tiers themselves, they are nuances but quite relevant to most trades. One asterisk means that the card's standing within the tier listing is relatively low, while a triple asterisk means it is relatively high.

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There are a few exceptions to the tier system, examples are - Paladin of the Flame Dawn, Demon of Fear & Dark Wish. Those 3 are really sought after and can be considered to be worth beyond their actual rarity level!

(note: all cards are links, mouse-over to see the card, or click them!)

Currently out of date, can still be used for a general idea

Top Tier Legendaries -

***Martyr Golem
**Agent Coyle, Primal Hunter
**Agent Coyle, Immovable
**Agent Coyle, Zomborg

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Middle Tier Legendaries -

***Evellee, Mage Guild Recruiter
**Agent Coyle, Alpha One
**Agent Coyle, Mechborn
*Tygris, the Architect
**The Defiant Hermit
*Princess Hinekri

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Bottom Tier Legendaries -

***Agent Coyle, Firestarter


(Note: Firestarter is the only Legendary that you can directly buy in the store, through the 'Collection Starter Pack', thus it is in the bottom tier, but its still a good card as far as play-value goes)


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Top Tier Epics -

***The Calamity
***Dark Wish
**Vasir, the Chained Prince
*Mega Unit 02
**Prophet Karani
**Hunted Dragon
**Hungry Abomination

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Middle Tier Epics -

**Call the Warpath
*Mega Unit 03
*Demon of Gluttony
**Subjugated Dragon
*Aberion, the Hammer of Dawn
**Ireul, Vanguard of Ruin
*Dragon of Summer Flame
**Ao Shun, Dragon of Wisdom
*Surprise Defense
**Shrine to the Heavens

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Bottom Tier Epics -

*Enyah, of the Endless Possibilities
**Hidden By Clouds
***Mega Unit 01
*The Dragon Project
*Bloodbath
***Ju-Lin, Who Rewrites History
**Patient Zero
*The Virus of Avarrach
**Avarrach Has Risen
**Nysrugh the Hungry

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Top Tier Rares -

***Demon of Fear
**Annihilate
**Mass Death
*Daode, Sage of Strength
**Yuanshi, Sage of Ferocity
*Skraar
*Granthar, the Elder Ape
***Paladin of the Flame Dawn
*Protector of the Dawn
*Angelify
*Recurring Nightmare
*Tome of the Dead
*Devil of Despair
**Cresill the Mad

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Middle Tier Rares -

*Radariah, the Untouchable
**Jubalia, the Messenger
**Aleta, the Immortal Traveler
***Deflect
*Orion, Master Architect
**Aleta, Immortal Tinkerer
**Aleta, the Immortal Searcher
*Inter-Dimensional Phase Bot
*Unstable Bomb-bot
**Lanstead
**Kali, the Flaming Blade
*Kali, the Purifier
*Bromich, Field Commander
**Lingbao, Sage of Discipline
**Eagle-Eye
*Heaven's Bell
*Matriarch
**Aleta, Immortal Caretaker
**Untapped Wilderness
**Aleta, Immortal Sorceress
**Summoning Stone
**Sinister Corruption
**Aleta, Immortal Sufferer
***Hehkeem, the Corrupted
*Cyber Infested Dragon
*Kyrallic, Origin of the Virus
**Raise Dead

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Bottom Tier Rares -

***Shikana, Who Demands Tribute
***Cheryl, the Forward Scout
**Varyus, Master of Choice
*Sydern
**Ancient Aether
*Ancient Egg
**Never Forget the Fallen
**Shield Generator
*Mechanism
***Rita, Shadow Priestess
**Grotesque Brute
***The Hellmouth
*Misery Stone
***Pras, the Traitor of Dawn
***Mark 1 'Brimstone' Battle Tank
**Aberion's Banner
**Brimstone
**Pyr, Fortress of the Flame Dawn
***Gao Han, the Stalwart
**Jialan, Guardian of Life
**Shifting Stone
***Great Wall of Jinhai
*Undisturbed Necropolis
**Decrepit Crystal
***Chalice of Madness
**Dehumanize
*Crystal of Madness
**The Demon Wastes




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Section B -  Foil, Platinum, Gold:

Normal card example:
(http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/9615/zq8x.png)

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Platinum (A.K.A: Beta / Plat) -
Currently it is very hard for me to judge the actual worth of a Platinum border. I believe that it comes down to your perception of collection value versus play value. If you put more emphasis on play value Platinum isn't too much of an issue and you can trade it away quite easily. If, however, you're a collector, these can be invaluable as some of them are near impossible to get (I'm looking at you Demon of Fear!).
Platinum cards are a limited edition, and so far have only been available as part of a pre-order (either of the game itself by supporting it before the closed beta, or by pre-ordering RISE boosters).  Once you missed your chance to pre-order, you can't get a hold of them except by trading - and that's where this guide comes in.
For you collectors out there, I can easily say you should trade whatever you want for a Rare/Epic/Legendary Platinum (especially super Rare ones such as Demon of Fear, Paladin of the Flame Dawn and so on). I can safely say you should treat it as worth 3-5 times more than your normal card of equal value. That, however, is not an actual value since currently I doubt they are worth more than two of the same non-Plat card. I do believe that this value will change once the game goes live (open beta / release) and more players join the community. This will make the Platinum-per-player ratio much lower and thus make them more valuable overall.
For you normal players, or 'play-value traders', I believe you should consider a Platinum to be worth twice as much as the normal card, as you should be able to find someone to trade it for 2 of that same non-Plat card very easily (and possibly gather even 3 without much of a hard time). This, of course, depends on the card and the overall trade, but as a general guideline the minimum worth I attach to Platinum borders is that of 2 non-Plat versions.

Platinum card example:
(http://oi43.tinypic.com/23u35es.jpg)

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Foil -
To me, personally, a Foil card is worth anywhere between 2-3 of the same 'normal' card. This is more true regarding Commons/Uncommons than it is for Rares+ because the chance to actually get a Rare+ Foil card is pretty damn slim. If you are a collector, these hold more value than they may hold for me (so try and learn just how Rare your specific card is - or what tier of rarity it's at - and combine it with the 3-5 value mentioned above). These are, of course, far more valuable for any collector than they are to someone seeking a play-value card. If you have a good Foil card that people need and you're not a collector I wouldn't hesitate to trade it for the value of 5 times the normal card, this can buy you a lot of play-value very easily if you got lucky with a nice Foil card.


Gold+Foil card example:
(http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/9925/c7kq.png)

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Gold -
Seeing Gold borders are as Rare as Foil cards are, I would treat them the same. Keep in mind that while a Gold border may be somewhat rare right now, once some time passes by Platinum borders ought to become the more valuable ones and there will be no reason to consider Gold to be worth more than Platinum unless you like the color scheme gold offers better than the platinum. Again, same rules apply as Foil.

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Foil-Plat / Foil-Gold -
These should be considered extremely Rare, especially the Foil-Plat combo as these are EXTREMELY limited in quantity. Even the Commons and Uncommons that are Foil-plat should be considered with some care as there shouldn't be too many of them in the game (depending how many packs exactly have been pre-ordered from RISE). I can't quite put my own values on these as they are extremely collectible and I am by no means a great collector (I just like to have some pretty cards, not obsessed about it). For the right person these are extremely valuable and should be considered to be worth at least 10 times of the regular version (and even that might be too low for some). Let me just say this right now, if you have a Foil-Plat Legendary, keep that stuff hidden inside your mattress until you simply HAVE to trade it to get some very needed cards (CARDS!! NOT ONE!). I would probably never trade mine, at least not until an Auction House or some form of currency based trade system was introduced so I can see the objective value people place on it.


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Section C - Trading Guidelines:

In this section I'll give you some general guidelines to help make trading easier, but keep in mind (again) that these are guidelines I use personally, they are not absolute by any means and should not be considered as such. I would also like to mention that depending on who you're trading (at least now, with the relatively small community), you may wish to forsake these completely - I often find myself trading with new players and simply give them a few extra cards more than the worth of their offer because they need them and it will barely scratch the surface of my card pool (it still hurts to give away Platinum, but it can't be helped). I don't say this to sound like a 'good guy', I say this because this is how I started the game as well - by getting a few very good trades from veterans - and I think this sort of thing helps develop the community and the game overall, and will come back to you once these new players become veterans and may have a few cards that you need (or they may simply pass it along themselves to the next new player they meet).

So, without further ado, to the guidelines -

1. Inter-Tier Trading:
I always prefer to try and trade within the tier since it makes it much easier to judge value, but since often times this is impossible you will need to know how to judge different tiers of value and keep in mind your own play/collect value and your trade partner's values.
My general guideline is that a top tier card is worth about 1.5 x mid tier card, and 2.5 x bottom tier card of the same rarity. This is not absolute, again, especially not when it comes to Legendary cards (as the top tier is way more valuable than the mid/bottom and CAN be said to be worth 2x mid and 4x bottom perhaps, PERHAPS).

2. Inter-Rarity Trading:
Again I always try and trade within the same rarity, but that is even harder to do than it is to trade within the same tier. My general guideline is that an equal tier Legendary is worth 2-3 Epics, and 3-5 Rares (and an equal tier Epic is worth 2-3 Rares). This varies a lot, cards like Paladin of the Flame Dawn (before RISE was released) could be traded at a 2 for 1 ratio with a Martyr Golem, and some people may even trade them 1 for 1.
You may also ask yourself the value of Uncommons and Commons, and my answer to that is - regardless of the rarity, if you need certain cards and can't get them for 'free' from a friend or a friendly person, you should trade some of your low tier Rares for the Uncommons and Commons you need. Keep in mind you may get Platinum versions which are worth more than the play-value and that alone is an added bonus. A basic guideline to these is 3x Uncommons for a low tier Rare, but these Uncommons better be relatively rare (Xi, Who Honores the Dead comes to mind), otherwise you can ask for 5-10 depending on who you're trading with. Commons are essentially worthless, but if you need them to play a certain deck you have in mind don't hesitate to trade your low-tier Rares for 10-15 Commons you need (don't be greedy though, no one likes greedy traders).

3. Combining Guidelines:
Since most of the time you may find yourself trading inter-tier AND inter-rarity AND inter-versions (Foil/Plat/Gold), you need to know how to combine them together. Keep in mind that the versions mentioned are not worth anymore as far as play-value go, but they do mean a lot for collectors even if you're not one yourself.
I dare say that you can generally take the lower numbers of the ratio that I mentioned above for each trade value, let's say, a Foil is 3x normal, and a top tier Legendary is 3x top tier Rare, and combine them together. So in this example, you're trading a top Foil Legendary for top tier regular Rare. I will easily make a trade for 9-10 of top tier Rares for a Foil Legendary, but that is BEFORE considering the potential trade value these may hold later on when the game grows. This is, again, a very very personal guideline and you SHOULD make up your own guidelines. These are most useful for people who are completely new and got somewhat lucky with a nice Rare pull that may be worth more than they can imagine it does.


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To wrap this up, let me just state again that this guide is not absolute whatsoever. This is a guide to help new players that have absolutely no clue what's the value of the cards they pulled and may only gather it through friends with experience, or trust strangers to be truthful and not try and take advantage of them (you can also take a look at the trade channel in game, or forums, to make up a general value of a card - but I want to believe this guide makes it easier).

Don't come at me later complaining that you traded your Foil-Plat Legendary for 15 top tier Rares and now it's worth 1000$ (hopefully) and your 15 Rares are only worth 150$. This may very well happen, this guide doesn't take the collector's value as the only guideline, it keeps a lot of focus on play value (while keeping in mind the fact that the cards are collectible and should be treated as such).

Feel free to start a discussion regarding trade values here, or simply criticize my values, guidelines or the guide as a whole (BUT LEAVE YOBO ALONE!).

I hope this proves helpful for some, and at the very least does not harm anyone.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 21, 2013, 03:49:53 PM
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Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 21, 2013, 03:50:04 PM
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Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 21, 2013, 03:51:15 PM
Sticky please if you find this worthy.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 22, 2013, 11:14:02 AM
Awesome trade guide. Very good for new players looking to get a general feel for the trading environment. I would like to add two things:

1. As a general principle (usually does not apply to the cards listed as "high value") you can try for 2-3 cards of lower quality for 1 card of the next level of quality. (IE: Trade 2-3 rares for 1 epic or 2-3 epics for 1 legendary) Generally speaking the person trading up is looking for 2 and the person trading down is looking for 3. A compromise can usually be reached.

2. If you EVER get a foil platinum rare/epic/legendary, it is worth way more than a few cards to the right buyer. I would make darn certain to get top dollar for anything close to being as rare as this. (also, don't tell me or I will hate you forever)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: KVD on August 22, 2013, 11:28:29 AM
Your tiering is completely out of whack when it comes to GI (save possibly for Tygris).
I'm guessing you don't play the faction.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 22, 2013, 11:29:57 AM
Your tiering is completely out of whack when it comes to GI (save possibly for Tygris).
I'm guessing you don't play the faction.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!

Nah, he's never touched the faction. :P

[Edit] Keep in mind that these are generally guidelines. Not to be followed to a "T."
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: KVD on August 22, 2013, 11:40:32 AM
Got nothing against the trading guide itself, but Mega Unit 02 as a top tier epic? That's pretty funny.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 22, 2013, 11:43:53 AM
Mega Unit 02 a well sought after card for most GI players. (3 copies used in one of the deck contenders for GI meta) Admittedly there seem to be a lot of them floating around, but that only matters if you can find a buyer willing to sell low. Once again though, the tier lists are VERY subjective and must be taken with a grain of salt.

[Edit] As a side note, the reason why I found that so funny is that me and Hitori were two of the very few players who actually supported playing GI even when they were terrible as a stand alone faction and I gave him a hard time when he switched his avatar from Tinkerer to Princess. :P
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Zinqf on August 22, 2013, 11:55:01 AM
Nice guide. Most every tier placement seems pretty much on point. Can you move Inter-dimensional Phase Bot to mid tier please? I've been wondering why people have been so reluctant to let go of them even with a large excess. Lolz.

Sticky please if you find this worthy.
I vote for Sticky. There currently isn't a sticky in the trading forum either.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 22, 2013, 12:04:30 PM
Nice guide. Most every tier placement seems pretty much on point. Can you move Inter-dimensional Phase Bot to mid tier please? I've been wondering why people have been so reluctant to let go of them even with a large excess. Lolz.

Sticky please if you find this worthy.
I vote for Sticky. There currently isn't a sticky in the trading forum either.

That's because they are so worth it. GI is finally good! ;D

I also vote for a sticky, btw. 8)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Erlaya on August 22, 2013, 02:11:06 PM
Due to how subjective trading (The list as I see it would be about 50% different) is and how often the Meta will change as they change cards...I don't think stickying something like this would serve the playerbase in the long run.  I disagree with making this a sticky.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 22, 2013, 04:43:01 PM
I highly appreciate any and all criticism.

The list I made is very much a general guideline rather than an accurate list because there is no accurate list.

The basic principle behind my list, for those wondering, is this:
MetaValue/Rarity -- in this case Rarity stands for how hard it is to actually get and not the 'Rare/Epic/Legendary'.

If you feel like my list ought to change, please make sure to try and validate this by arguments. This is what this thread is for, to try and sum up the trade values of things and help newbies trade easier.

Please, present your arguments for any and all changes (Erlaya/KVD).
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 22, 2013, 04:49:10 PM
And if it wasn't clear, here's a more basic explanation, GI specific for you KVD:

-Orion is an amazing card, but rather easy to get as far as trade value goes, it's not a card that you'll need to give 2-3 rares for (like Paladin or Demon of Fear and the likes).

-Angelify is a great win condition that if played right wins you the game without the opponent having much to do about it, still, it's a rather easy to get rare that comes with the faction's starter deck.

-Shield Generator and Lanstead are two great cards, but so far as I'm aware of they were not from the super rare cards within RISE, anyone that has bought a decent amount of pre-orders have a few of these to spare it seems.



If you value a card for its play value, but neglect to account for how hard or easy it is to get, you're not doing a great job judging trade value. I would love to hear your feedback and perhaps change my list, it is not an absolute one.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 22, 2013, 04:52:06 PM
And Zin I had second thoughts regarding putting this list up there as well, as it may show more about my values than it would be helpful to newbies, but I decided I'll give it a go.

I can always delete this whole thing if people don't find it useful :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Koey on August 22, 2013, 05:01:42 PM
And if it wasn't clear, here's a more basic explanation, GI specific for you KVD:

-Orion is an amazing card, but rather easy to get as far as trade value goes, it's not a card that you'll need to give 2-3 rares for (like Paladin or Demon of Fear and the likes).

-Angelify is a great win condition that if played right wins you the game without the opponent having much to do about it, still, it's a rather easy to get rare that comes with the faction's starter deck.

-Shield Generator and Lanstead are two great cards, but so far as I'm aware of they were not from the super rare cards within RISE, anyone that has bought a decent amount of pre-orders have a few of these to spare it seems.



If you value a card for its play value, but neglect to account for how hard or easy it is to get, you're not doing a great job judging trade value. I would love to hear your feedback and perhaps change my list, it is not an absolute one.

Main reason why GI cards are less sought out is cause most people when presented a faction to choose most were decided to go FD, especially since once they finished their tutorial the 75% off Collector Pack contains a FD Firestarter which promoted this heavily.
Not to mention if you ask the general public FD is the easiest to get the grasp of the game with.

Orion is in huge amount cause of the lower GI players in comparison also the fact that KS/IGG backers got him as part of a reward.

Also I would prefer not to sticky this as trading is always subjective and its mostly based on people demand and current Meta.
ie. GI might be more popular now given how Resolute Knight and Infected Monks have multiple lives and retain their stats.

I wouldn't mind sticking a guide if you would like to talk about the difference between Plat, Foil and Gold, works even though this could possibly change in the future.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: TimetoSplit on August 22, 2013, 07:56:12 PM
Hitori, this is awesome, but one thing:
You should have asterisk'ed or bolded the super-top tier cards (Calamity and Paladin) since they should basically be on the "God Tier" level.

Top Tier Epics -

The Calamity
Subjugated Dragon
Mega Unit 02
Hunted Dragon
Patient Zero
Nysrugh, the Hungry


Top Tier Rares -

Paladin of the Flame Dawn
Demon of Fear
Mass Death
Inter-Dimensional Phase Bot
Devil of Despair
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 22, 2013, 10:25:59 PM
Not a bad idea, I may do such a thing indeed :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: gpt999 on August 22, 2013, 11:11:51 PM
I can't agree too much with your listing of tier list, heres why:

Top Tier Legendaries -

Evellee, Mage Guild Recruiter * Clear top tier, nothing wrong here
Martyr Golem                          * not only is it a rarely played card, its also oversaturated due to the kick starter spam giving this card.
Tygris the Architect
Princess Hinekri

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Middle Tier Legendaries -

Agent Coyle, Mechborn
Firestarter  * even tough firestarter is a bit easier to come back, the strength of the card still make it borderline top tier, the only thing not putting it over the other top tiers is the rarity of the the legends in rise.

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Bottom Tier Legendaries -

Agent Coyle, Immovable
Agent Coyle, Primal Hunter

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Top Tier Epics -

The Calamity * This is a legend, its value also droped hard with its cost nerf and rise meta nerfing it hard.
Subjugated Dragon
Mega Unit 02 * rather popular atm, so it fit there, just lower in the top tier list, won't stay top tier for long once players got proper decks tough.
Hunted Dragon
Patient Zero * only needing one combined with being a core epic, while being oversaturated from the other kickstarter make this a rather common epic, its strenght should still keep it to mid tier tough.
Nysrugh, the Hungry

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Middle Tier Epics -

Dark Wish
Demon of Gluttony * now is much weaker then he used to be, prob fit at the bottom of the middle tier.
Aberion, the Hammer of Dawn * he fit here now, but once peps start learning to use the new hastes, hes gonna go up to top tier.
Bloodbath
Mega Unit 01
Ju-Lin, Who Rewrites History

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Bottom Tier Epics -

Call the Warpath
Hidden By Clouds * incredibly strong card, only cheapened by the fact players only need one of them, should be mid tier.
The Dragon Project
Dragon of Summer Flame
Ao Shun, Dragon of Wisdom * in term of avaibility, this is the rarest epic in the game (acording to an old research. Exeprience show it also is incredibly rare.), its only weakened by poor popularity due to the dificulty of using him, nevertheless, it should be mid tier.
Shrine to the Heavens * mid tier, not many players look for that card, but those who do are willing to pay the good price.
The Virus of Avarrach

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Top Tier Rares -

Demon of Fear
Mass Death
Paladin of the Flame Dawn
Inter-Dimensional Phase Bot
Devil of Despair * I would prob put this mid tier, I have yet to see somebody look for this card, but its strength is clear nonetheless.

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Middle Tier Rares -

Radariah, the Untouchable
Jubalia, the Messenger
Aleta, the Immortal Traveler
Deflect * This card is pure amazing, won't be long until its top tier, its price is only weakened by players not realising its power yet.
Orion, Master Architect
Angelify
Unstable Bomb-bot
Lanstead
Shield Generator
Kali, the Flaming Blade
Aberion's Banner * One of the favorit cards of the qa players, that one is easily top tier.
Protector of the Dawn
Mark 1 'Brimstone' Battle Tank * easily bottom tier, nobody want it, its weak, and its dosn't fit any playstyles.
Daode, Sage of Strength
Yuanshi, Sage of Ferocity
Heaven's Bell
Skraar * was top tier before rise, now its stronger then before.
Never Forget the Fallen
Grotesque Brute
Lethargy Stone * one of the op cards, easy top.
Sinister Corruption  lethargy's sister, easy top again.
Aleta, Immortal Sufferer
Raise Dead * some would consider it top tier, I would consider it mid, Not much demand for it right now, but might soon be.
Tome of the Dead
Undisturbed Necropolis
Cresill the Mad
Dehumanize

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Bottom Tier Rares -

Shikana, Who Demands Tribute * A bit of an under estimated card, incredebly strong, but nobody plays it, so sadly, it fit in bottom tier for trade power, could change one day tough.
Varyus, Master of Choice * Once eve is fixed, and peoples master its combos, this is gonna be a strong pick in mid tier.
Aleta, Immortal Caretaker * One of the most looked after aleta, it may have droped a bit with rise, but its still should be in mid.
Sydern * Wait till peoples learn how to use it, only got a lower value due to being given in a  quest, will go higher later.
Matriarch
Untapped Wilderness
Ancient Egg
Aleta, Immortal Tinkerer * Once again one of the better aleta, mid tier.
Aleta, Immortal Sorceress
Rita, Shadow Priestess * This is a bit stronger now that sacrifice decks can be made, time will tell if this should move to mid tier.
The Hellmouth
Bromich, Field Commander
Pyr, Fortress of the Flame Dawn
Gao Han, the Stalwart
Lingbao, Sage of Discipline
Jialan, Guardian of Life
Great Wall of Jinhai
Hehkeem, the Corrupted
Chalice of Madness * This is probably gonna be top tier once the 3rd set is out, but for now, its a bit too hard to use, so it fit here.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 22, 2013, 11:29:44 PM
Firestarter  * even tough firestarter is a bit easier to come back, the strength of the card still make it borderline top tier, the only thing not putting it over the other top tiers is the rarity of the the legends in rise.

Due to how easy it is to get, I consider him only mid-tier.


The Calamity * This is a legend, its value also droped hard with its cost nerf and rise meta nerfing it hard.

This is an Epic card, not a Legendary.
The value of it did not drop much in my opinion, and once the dust settles down I expect it to retain it's previous value (although slightly less due to the new cards introduced).


Demon of Gluttony * now is much weaker then he used to be, prob fit at the bottom of the middle tier.

Possibly, but I did not sort them by how valuable they are inside the tier-listing.



Hidden By Clouds * incredibly strong card, only cheapened by the fact players only need one of them, should be mid tier.

Still a pretty bad card in my opinion, it is easily removable with Assassinate, Called Shot (not to mention Verore or FD control spells)


Ao Shun, Dragon of Wisdom * in term of avaibility, this is the rarest epic in the game (acording to an old research. Exeprience show it also is incredibly rare.), its only weakened by poor popularity due to the dificulty of using him, nevertheless, it should be mid tier.

Show me that research, I'm sure it is either very old or simply wrong.
Easy card to get a hold of.


Shrine to the Heavens * mid tier, not many players look for that card, but those who do are willing to pay the good price.

It's a decent card, and not too easy to get, but it requires your deck to be built around it to be anywhere near viable, and these decks are relatively exposed to risks. It's not that the card itself is bad, it's that the deck you build around is usually not that strong.


Devil of Despair * I would prob put this mid tier, I have yet to see somebody look for this card, but its strength is clear nonetheless.

I feel like once everything about RISE clears out, this card will have some important role in the meta game. If not now, I'm sure it will retain its value in the long haul once we see more Exiles cards.


Aberion's Banner * One of the favorit cards of the qa players, that one is easily top tier.

This card is amazing, but just like Shrine it demands a specific build to be utilized. I have yet faced a deck that makes me scared of this card (a deck can be scary and still use this card, but it doesn't make this card the strong bit about that deck).


-------------

I won't go on with this quoting thing, but I see some valid points you raised and will consider them :)
Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: gpt999 on August 23, 2013, 12:44:49 AM
uh, TIL calamity actually is an epic, my bad on that, it should stay top tier for epics then, just not top of the top.

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Possibly, but I did not sort them by how valuable they are inside the tier-listing.

Well value and strength tend to correlate with each others, there is other factors, but glutony was valued due to a semi popular combo that only worked before the rise patch, it now only has the option to drop in value, and quite hard.

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Possibly, but I did not sort them by how valuable they are inside the tier-listing.
Its closed beta old, so ye, really old. The only reason its not too hard to trade for is because most players only want 1 of it, but if you look at each individual card of a player's card pool during a trade, wisdom is easily one of the rarest card.

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It's a decent card, and not too easy to get, but it requires your deck to be built around it to be anywhere near viable, and these decks are relatively exposed to risks. It's not that the card itself is bad, it's that the deck you build around is usually not that strong.

I'm probably the biggest shrine player, so its fair to say i'm biased, but the card is really strong, the rise patch for the most part made it weaker, but some cards also make it stronger, a meta shift would easily make it a highly sought after card, not the most sought after card, but it easily deserve to be put at mid.

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I feel like once everything about RISE clears out, this card will have some important role in the meta game. If not now, I'm sure it will retain its value in the long haul once we see more Exiles cards.

I easily agree with you there, time will simply improve this card.

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This card is amazing, but just like Shrine it demands a specific build to be utilized. I have yet faced a deck that makes me scared of this card

Its core on some haste decks, and haste deck will eventually become really popular once players realize how ridiculously strong they are. Its also ridiculously strong on an angel deck.

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I won't go on with this quoting thing, but I see some valid points you raised and will consider them :)

WEEEE QUOTES! :D
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: ikari on August 23, 2013, 08:06:06 AM
As long as there is no Auction House, this guide helps me a lot!!!

so we will just gather enough replays to keep this on the first page :)

Ikari
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 23, 2013, 11:32:53 AM
I'll take some suggestions soon enough and make rating of specific cards clearer.
Also might change the tiers of certain cards, though a Demon of Gluttony (for example) is still a hard to come by card - regardless of it's play value which is quite puffyty at the moment. As someone who personally wishes to have 5 of them and only has 1 (and can offer a few plat-rares/plat-epics) I consider it middle tier for that reason alone, but if you wish to actually play it....it sucks right now.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: PianoHandsThePerson on August 23, 2013, 11:41:15 AM
And Zin I had second thoughts regarding putting this list up there as well, as it may show more about my values than it would be helpful to newbies, but I decided I'll give it a go.

I can always delete this whole thing if people don't find it useful :)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/74472c10125b074e36d7a9debf2edc88/tumblr_mf09u8vzkk1rkp8hno1_500.gif)
 Couldn't help myself ; )
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 23, 2013, 11:46:22 AM
Kira ftw.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: gpt999 on August 23, 2013, 01:09:40 PM
I'll take some suggestions soon enough and make rating of specific cards clearer.
Also might change the tiers of certain cards, though a Demon of Gluttony (for example) is still a hard to come by card - regardless of it's play value which is quite puffyty at the moment. As someone who personally wishes to have 5 of them and only has 1 (and can offer a few plat-rares/plat-epics) I consider it middle tier for that reason alone, but if you wish to actually play it....it sucks right now.

I think I got an extra one to trade, shoot me a whisper next time you see me ingame!
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Koey on August 23, 2013, 08:51:46 PM
As long as there is no Auction House, this guide helps me a lot!!!

so we will just gather enough replays to keep this on the first page :)

Ikari

Teremus has confirmed there will be a Auction House in the future.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 23, 2013, 09:01:37 PM
Guess it's time to rework this a bit.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Erlaya on August 24, 2013, 07:04:06 AM
Seeing the changes in value within tiers makes me agree quite a bit with your initial findings.

I guess the only difference I can see at a glance is Mass Death is in my mind a higher valued card than Demon of Fear but I guess not quite as valued as Phase Bot or Paladin. So 2.5 stars? :P
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Zinqf on August 24, 2013, 07:47:01 AM
Kira ftw.
Pretty sure that guy was a Kira Follower. But I guess that still equates to Kira ftw, except that he didn't. (Lol Spoilers)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: PianoHandsThePerson on August 24, 2013, 08:19:05 AM
Kira ftw.
Pretty sure that guy was a Kira Follower. But I guess that still equates to Kira ftw, except that he didn't. (Lol Spoilers)
I thought about pointing that out as well in about the same terms, decided I'd put a giant flaming sign that read Nerd! above my head if I hadn't already ; )
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Zinqf on August 24, 2013, 08:35:29 AM
Kira ftw.
Pretty sure that guy was a Kira Follower. But I guess that still equates to Kira ftw, except that he didn't. (Lol Spoilers)
I thought about pointing that out as well in about the same terms, decided I'd put a giant flaming sign that read Nerd! above my head if I hadn't already ; )
Amusingly enough I'm not an anime heavy person lolz. Think I've only seen DBZ and Deathnote fully a long time ago. Could never watch more than a few episodes of anything else in the genre. (Rage all you want xD)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: gpt999 on August 24, 2013, 11:54:33 AM
Kira ftw.
Pretty sure that guy was a Kira Follower. But I guess that still equates to Kira ftw, except that he didn't. (Lol Spoilers)
I thought about pointing that out as well in about the same terms, decided I'd put a giant flaming sign that read Nerd! above my head if I hadn't already ; )
Amusingly enough I'm not an anime heavy person lolz. Think I've only seen DBZ and Deathnote fully a long time ago. Could never watch more than a few episodes of anything else in the genre. (Rage all you want xD)

BRB making a long list of must watch animes that I will forever spam you with until you watch them all.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: TimetoSplit on August 24, 2013, 03:47:13 PM
And Zin I had second thoughts regarding putting this list up there as well, as it may show more about my values than it would be helpful to newbies, but I decided I'll give it a go.

I can always delete this whole thing if people don't find it useful :)
(http://31.media.tumblr.com/74472c10125b074e36d7a9debf2edc88/tumblr_mf09u8vzkk1rkp8hno1_500.gif)
 Couldn't help myself ; )
I always thought it was really odd that he was so excited about the word "delete," but a friend of mine who's learning Japanese said that in real version, he says "Die! Die! Die!"  In retrospect, I like the English translation better. 
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 24, 2013, 05:34:44 PM
1. He was a Kira admirer who then became Kira for a while to cover up for the real one.
2. He says (like so many other Kira variations) 'SHI-NE!' which is 'Die!'.

Either way, he is a Kira, and Kira FTW.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 25, 2013, 02:17:21 AM
1. He was a Kira admirer who then became Kira for a while to cover up for the real one.
2. He says (like so many other Kira variations) 'SHI-NE!' which is 'Die!'.

Either way, he is a Kira, and Kira FTW.

SPOILER ALERT!

Also, where'd you get that shnazzy rarity scheme? 8)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 25, 2013, 02:26:26 AM
Watcha mean?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 25, 2013, 02:29:08 AM
I'm just poking fun cuz it's the same kind I use. :P

I like to tease people who do things similarly to me. 8)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 25, 2013, 02:44:21 AM
ROFL, quite a known system to catalog things I'd imagine.
But yea I guess your usage came first on the forums :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kilroy512 on August 25, 2013, 03:06:14 AM
ROFL, quite a known system to catalog things I'd imagine.
But yea I guess your usage came first on the forums :)

No! I made it. >:(

 ;)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: NikP1 on September 10, 2013, 11:59:04 AM
IMO, Protector of the Flame Dawn is worth at least as much as Demon of Fear now, if not as much as the Paladin. People are finally starting to understand its true value.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on September 11, 2013, 02:50:52 AM
As far as play-value goes? Sure.
Trade value? Doesn't feel that way quite yet, perhaps after the next expansion when less people buy RISE packs and more new players come in.

At any rate it's up there in the top tier, 2nd only to Paladin and Demon ^_^
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: WWKnight on September 14, 2013, 03:31:12 PM
Great job hitori. Hit me up in game next you see me. I got something for you :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on September 15, 2013, 10:49:05 AM
Will do Knight, glad you liked it.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: WWKnight on September 15, 2013, 01:01:04 PM
Cause I've never seen you online, I gave it to scooby. Hit hit him up.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on September 15, 2013, 01:34:22 PM
That's mighty generous of you Luke. Cheers!
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: TimetoSplit on October 13, 2013, 04:42:52 PM
Hitori, I'd move Warpath Coyle to a mid-tier Legendary.  Since the patch, the demand has been high.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on October 13, 2013, 06:47:48 PM
I'd move about half the cards around, kind of waiting to see what's up when the dust settles (I did add a warning at the top of the guide about it).

I can try and re-balance it right now, but with the amount of changes AND the amount of new people who have a 100% different value view than us 'vets' I can't really see consistent value.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on October 13, 2013, 07:01:46 PM
Updated, please people - help me update this faster by putting forth arguments for changes in my current listing.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: TimetoSplit on October 18, 2013, 03:53:06 AM
A few more suggestions, take it or leave it.

***Martyr Golem
***Evellee, Mage Guild Recruiter->Change to one *.  Sure she's still in demand more than the other legendaries, but people also only need one, and quite frankly Martyr should be a step above the other cards, since we all know Martyr>all in terms of demand (Eve was only super high demand when she was new & shiny)

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Middle Tier Legendaries -

**Agent Coyle, Primal Hunter->Change to top tier?!  Some people think he's worth a Martyr now?

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Middle Tier Rares -
*Mark 1 'Brimstone' Battle Tank ->Change to bottom tier
***Daode, Sage of Strength -> Change to top tier
***Skraar -> Change to top tier
*Grotesque Brute -> Change to Bottom Tier

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Bottom Tier Rares -

***Untapped Wilderness -> Change to one *
***Ancient Egg -> Change to one *
***Bromich, Field Commander -> Change tier to mid
*Gao Han, the Stalwart -> Change tier to mid
***Jialan, Guardian of Life -> Change to one *
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on October 18, 2013, 09:03:19 PM
I appreciate the suggestions and will likely use some of them :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on November 03, 2013, 10:50:48 PM
Updated as best as I could.

I am really looking for feedback from people that play/trade more often than I do (been a bit busy lately), feel free to reply here with any tier-changes you'd make.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: TimetoSplit on November 07, 2013, 02:59:18 PM
PhaseBot is easily a top tier rare btw.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kindran on November 18, 2013, 07:49:24 PM
These are my opinions on what I have seen people trading and played against as of late. I am not saying that I am all knowing and these are exact, so please do not take it that way  :P

Agent Coyle, Primal Hunter should be a top tier Legendary ***
Agent Coyle, Firestarter should be a bottom tier Legendary **

Dark Wish should be a top tier epic ***
Subjugated Dragon should be a top tier epic **
Aberion, the Hammer of Dawn should be a bottom tier epic **
The Dragon Project should be a bottom tier epic *

Sinister Corruption should be a middle tier rare **
Devil of Despair should be a top tier rare *
Yuanshi, Sage of Ferocity should be a middle tier rare **
Deflect should be a top tier rare *
Aberion's Banner should be a bottom tier rare *
Skraar should be a top tier rare **
Dehumanize should be a bottom tier rare **
Cresill the Mad should be a bottom tier rare *
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Rankelthorn on November 22, 2013, 04:27:04 PM
I agree with Kindran on most points.

Exceptions are Aberion, Aberions Banner and Cresill, they should be left as is.
And Skraar would do fine with Top *.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Aberion on November 23, 2013, 04:27:56 PM
As far as my experience goes I'd make these changes:


Top Tier Legendaries -

*Evellee, Mage Guild Recruiter - Evellee was nice and hot when she was new, nowadays most people only want one for collection/commanders sake

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Middle Tier Legendaries -

*Tygris the Architect - this card is rarely used and given its speed you can hardly use it in the current meta
**Agent Coyle, Immovable - this is got a great buff and people realize it a lot, one of the few legendaries everybody wants 3 of

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Bottom Tier Legendaries -

***Agent Coyle, Mechborn - sadly this card is still kind of underpowered or rather not fitting most GI decks, also many players got Mechborns by now and nobody really wants any
*Agent Coyle, Firestarter - Great card but with the invite system most people can get one for easy cash and nobody really looks for a Firestarter anymore (besides me rarely :P)


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Top Tier Epics -

****The Calamity - still an ongoing supernova, if you have a calamity you can trade almost anything for it
**Subjugated Dragon - while he took a rather harsh hit in trade value a few weeks ago nowadays he is more sought for, but nowhere near his old prime trade value
***Dark Wish - this turns out to be something like the 2nd most asked for epic, everybody wants a dark wish and if anyone has at least one dark wish he immediatly wants three to play a 3 purity deck
*Mega Unit 02 - with the purity change to Raise Dead MU2-Raise decks took a hit and most people who still play this deck dont need MU2 anymore, anyone else isnt interested really


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Middle Tier Epics -

*Call the Warpath - this card you can get quite hard because very few people are willing to trade it away, whats worse though is that you can almost not trade this card away anmore. if i get a call the warpath i need more than a week to find someone whod take one, just because about nobody is playing slow Warpath right now and with rush you dont need CTW

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Bottom Tier Epics -
***Mega Unit 01 - sadly this card is quite hard to use and has a very slow start, most people dont want it at all and GI fans only for collection purposes where 1 copy suffices
*The Dragon Project - with GI still being the most purchased starter deck almost anybody has a Dragon Project copy. Soulbond DPs are also very spread. I myself have 3 soulbonds ..
***Dragon of Summer Flame - while still not enough to be a top tier I've seen quite a few people ask about my summer dragons with generous offers, apparently some people try to build some kind of raise summer flame deck with the current Sleeper/FD combo and others try to put him in their Hunted Dragon/FD rush decks for late game
**Bloodbath - ever since Teremus announced a buff to Bloodbath it got a little increase in value as much more people ask for it

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Top Tier Rares -

****Demon of Fear - still a alltime super rare
***Mass Death - should be three stars as it isnt as asked for as a demon or pally but still a good bit ahead of devil of despair
****Paladin of the Flame Dawn - still the burning need of almost any IW player easly scoring 3 other rares or an epic for it
*Protector of the Dawn - while still a great rare most people got their fair share of Protector already, also with 2 purity he doesnt fit most rush decks (WPWPFD)
***Devil of Despair - with infestation ahead most people hope for yet another buff on devil, also with the latest buffs he asked for more than ever
*Skraar - the all time favorite warpath rare .. with the current WPWPFD rush deck everybody wants 3 skraars
*Tome of the Dead - ever since the news about PERSIST and generally sleeper buffs in Infestation this card has risen to be quite asked for, but only in the ranks of people who keep track of the news

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Middle Tier Rares -

**Sinister Corruption - morale is rarely played anymore
***Yuanshi, Sage of Ferocity - most people only need one for command
***Inter-Dimensional Phase Bot - its a nice card but its really not that asked for to be considered a top tier
*Orion, Master Architect - nobody needs a 2nd orion and with the soulbonds everybody has one

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Bottom Tier Rares -

**Mark 1 'Brimstone' Battle Tank - nobody plays Brimstone except maybe as commander in WPWPFD, really not asked for
***The Hellmouth - its risen in demand in conjunction with the dark wish decks
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: soulmilk on November 24, 2013, 01:45:34 PM
Reminds me Yu-Gi-Oh! Online had a community run value system based on numbers.
This is an example list.

Martyr Golem - 500
Eevelee - 425
Calamity - 250
Hunted Dragon - 220
Dark Wish - 190
Agent Coyle - Firestarter - 100
Paladin of the Flame Dawn - 90
Skraar - 90
Mass Death - 80
Angelify - 65

So basically if you wanted Martyr Golem, you would give away cards worth 500+ points.
Cards with value under 30 or so wouldn't be on the list.
Then once a week there would be a vote for changing the value of cards.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on November 25, 2013, 05:28:39 AM
Soulmilk I can see the value of such a system.
That said I do not feel the need to do this since I view trading a subjective business :)
If anyone else feels like there are absolute (estimated) values to be found, feel free to do this. I think numeric values are far easier for people to use, so it may become a standard.
Again, thanks for the idea but this really is just a bunch of general guidelines for new traders, and the list is there for reference rather than anything resembling 'agreed upon values'.

As for the 3 listing suggestions, thank you very much!
I have been away for a while and could use some input, and these come in handy (though I usually keep my own values in mind when listing).
Will update the list later on today.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Rankelthorn on November 25, 2013, 10:15:06 AM
Couldn't we ask Teremus to give us a list of the total amount of every card on accounts that were active within the last month, or the last two weeks?

That way we could assign relative values to the cards.
Let us for example say that there are 10.000 copies of tradeable Stumble cards in the game and that is the highest amount for any card.
Every other card could then be measured in Stumbles
(Amount of Stumbles/Amount of Card-X).

That is pretty much the only way of objectively assigning any value to the cards I could think of.

Though even still I would value subjectively based on the card.
A rare anyone only needs 1 or 2 of just will not be worth as much as a rare anyone would need 4 of for their decks, even if it is objectively rarer.

It would certainly be interesting though.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Kindran on November 25, 2013, 03:09:54 PM
That way we could assign relative values to the cards.
Let us for example say that there are 10.000 copies of tradeable Stumble cards in the game and that is the highest amount for any card.
Every other card could then be measured in Stumbles
(Amount of Stumbles/Amount of Card-X).

This would be a foolish way to place a value on a card in my opinion. Not only does this create major problems to trading and the general trader, each person places a higher value on different cards. Take myself for example. I place a huge value on Exile foils and Princess Hinekri is my favorite card, so of course I value them more so than others. I don't place any value on Gold or Platinum cards myself, because I do not like they way they look. For these card backs I do use the value other people place on them as a trading measure to get what I want.

Also, no matter how many common cards you give me I will not trade them for a rare+ unless I could turn them into another rare+ through a conversion system in the game. I like the current way Hitori has for value as it does not place a numerical number on cards, but it does show how certain cards are wanted more than others in their respective tiers.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Rankelthorn on November 26, 2013, 04:59:46 PM
Nice of you to respond so eloquently on my post, let me respond to yours by quoting mine, the one you responded to, which was in and of itself basically a response to Soulmik's post.  ;D

'That is pretty much the only way of objectively assigning any value to the cards I could think of.

Though even still I would value subjectively based on the card.
A rare anyone only needs 1 or 2 of just will not be worth as much as a rare anyone would need 4 of for their decks, even if it is objectively rarer.

It would certainly be interesting though.'

Atm the values most people use as guidelines are the subjective values of either Prozac or Hitori.
My point was that while there is an objective alternative that would be interesting,
it would still not be accurate.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For The New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on November 27, 2013, 05:56:45 AM
Updated!

Thanks again everyone for the helpful input.
As always, all tier-listings are my subjective 'balanced' view of collector's value and play value.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide for the New Trader!
Post by: Kindran on February 19, 2014, 02:31:50 AM
Gonna be some major changes on this shortly Hitori. You may have some homework to do in a few days hehe.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: nickellicker on February 22, 2014, 06:50:44 PM
Looking forward to the updated list !!
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 22, 2014, 07:26:36 PM
Will do my best to update it ASAP, but I like to let the dust settle before I start evaluating for real.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: KyaineDraconix on February 25, 2014, 01:59:48 AM
I'm new... sooo how can I trade cards if I have nothing good to offer people in return?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Aberion on February 25, 2014, 01:38:32 PM
My trading experiences since Saturday:


Top Tier Legendaries -
***Agent Coyle, Zomborg
***Agent Coyle, Immovable
**Martyr Golem
**Agent Coyle, Primal Hunter
*Evellee, Mage Guild Recruiter

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Middle Tier Legendaries -
***The Defiant Hermit
**Princess Hinekri
**Tygris the Architect
*Agent Coyle, Alpha One
*Agent Coyle, Mechborn

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Bottom Tier Legendaries -
***Agent Coyle, Firestarter

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Top Tier Epics -
****Dark Wish
***Subjugated Dragon
***Hungry Abomination
**Hunted Dragon
**The Calamity
**Mega Unit 02
**Vasir, The Chained Prince
*Mega Unit 03

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Middle Tier Epics -
***Ireul, Vanguard Of Ruin
***Call the Warpath
**Surprise Defense
**Demon of Gluttony
**Ao Shun, Dragon of Wisdom
**Shrine to the Heavens
*Ju-Lin, Who Rewrites History
*Patient Zero
*Nysrugh, the Hungry
*Dragon of Summer Flame
*The Virus of Avarrach

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Bottom Tier Epics -
***Prophet Karani
***Aberion, the Hammer of Dawn
***Enyah, Of The Endless Possibilities
**Mega Unit 01
**Hidden By Clouds
**Bloodbath
**Avarrach Has Risen
*The Dragon Project


I left the rares out for now, because right now all Infestation rares are traded roughly the same - except Annihilate, Recurring Nightmare and Eagle-Eye which are definitely Top-Tier - at least among the Infestation cards, not quite sure where they rank with the other rares as I rarely traded Infestation rares with Core/Rise rares.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 25, 2014, 01:40:31 PM
Thanks NB, planning to make my list sometime today if I get to it.
Will likely take use of yours.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 26, 2014, 04:29:22 AM
Updated for Infestation!
As usual, feel free to leave feedback and suggest changes, I don't know it all, and my values are subject to criticism :)

Preemptive note:
I've taken into account the 'Infestation release hype', meaning, right now plenty of people are looking for Infestation cards specifically so it may SEEM like those have higher value, but that would be false within a week or two in my humble opinion. The idea is - I've considered the long term to make updates a bit easier.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Aberion on February 26, 2014, 09:38:33 AM
Can't say that I'd agree 100% but looks solid like usual. Good job!
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Salteador Neo on February 26, 2014, 11:45:36 AM
I can easily get behind the Rare tiers.

The epics not so much. In some cases I like Hitori's list, sometimes NudistBeach, and a few times neither xD

For example Subju Dragon can't be Mid Tier in my head. And Martyr must be *** Top Tier.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 26, 2014, 01:14:20 PM
Neo, how would you rate Sub Dragon?
And thanks Nudist :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Salteador Neo on February 26, 2014, 01:21:04 PM
I'd say the dragon is top tier myself. But I like Verore so maybe I'm a bit biased :P

Also I'm quite confident in that Patient Zero, Hidden by Clouds and Dragon of Summer Flame get much more love (are more searched) than Demon of Gluttony or Aberion.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: PickledCarrots on February 26, 2014, 01:58:18 PM
Hitori, I think Evellee should be top tier. I know know useful dropped somewhat but getting her is still relatively tough.

You can't target her for draft like you can most other Legendaries. Mind you, I'm still a noob :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 26, 2014, 02:00:33 PM
Bias is a factor, I noticed today while editing that Genesis got too much love from me for no reason, so I did my best to fix it.

As for Hidden / Patient - they are available in the premade decks, so I took that into consideration, but perhaps you're right.

Changed it a bit taking your input into consideration, thanks for that Neo.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 26, 2014, 02:01:33 PM
Thanks Pickled, I guess I can add another * to her considering your words, noob or not - input is valued.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Kindran on February 26, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
I would suggest these changes:
Legendary:
The Defiant Hermit moved to middle tier **
Princess Hinekri moved to bottom tier **

Epics:
Aberion, the Hammer of Dawn moved to bottom tier *
Dragon of Summer Flame moved to bottom tier ***
Surprise Defense moved to top tier **
Nysrugh, the Hungry moved to bottom tier **
Hidden By Clouds moved to middle tier *

Rares:
Yuanshi, Sage of Ferocity moved to middle tier **
Angelify moved to top tier **
Hehkeem, the Corrupted moved to top tier ***
Kyrallic, Origin of the Virus moved to top tier *
Untapped Wilderness moved to middle tier **
Chalice of Madness moved to bottom tier *
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 26, 2014, 08:46:06 PM
Thanks, Kindran, taken some into account.

Not sure about some of your suggestions though, would love to hear you expand upon them (namely: Nysrugh, Hinekri, Hehkeem)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Kindran on February 26, 2014, 09:43:09 PM
Thanks, Kindran, taken some into account.

Not sure about some of your suggestions though, would love to hear you expand upon them (namely: Nysrugh, Hinekri, Hehkeem)

Nysrugh isn't that useful at the moment as he goes against the new nature of Exiles. There are some decks that revolve around him, but they aren't as good as other decks that revolve around specific cards. As an epic card I feel like he is lackluster.

Princess Hinekri, although wanted, only has value as a collector card. She does not posses much of a threat at all in games, nor does she have any decks that revolve around her.

Hehkeem has seen a major buff in the fact that 3 purity Sleeper decks are now a thing. With so many low cost characters within the Sleeper faction he now plays a vital role. Mainly he is like a smaller Call the Warpath, both in size of characters spawned and cost. This is insanely nice as he is not a huge overkill, but still gets the job done of winning games at a lower, more friendly, cost.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Aberion on February 26, 2014, 10:21:03 PM
This is a trade guide though (meaning how good or bad a card is perceived in the game only indirect affects it's trading value - e.g. if nobody wants a great card or only wants it once it can't be considered top tier).


@Kindran and Hitori
So while I agree that Hehkeem rose a little in demand due more Sleeper decks he is still lightyears away from top tier, he's fine where he is imho.

Same goes for Hinekri: She's rarely played but getting her is still quite tough and demand is nigh-unchanged compared to pre-Infestation. In fact I'd even put her up to two stars Middle Tier.

Nysrugh I agree, haven't seen anybody ask for a Nysrugh this year and I couldn't get anyone to take one for anything at all ^^

Also no offense Hitori but I seriously think you're overvaluing Defiant Hermit. Not only have I seen NOBODY asking for him (there are even people looking for Alpha One!) - I haven't even seen or heard a single decent deck with him. Only Plat Hermit gets any interest (that being people wanting to uptrade their normal Hermits to plat) and a normal Hermit I'd say won't be worth more than Tygris and will be traded as such as soon as the "new new" hype goes down imho.


@Hitori
That said: I agree with the prior Subj Dragon talk (having him be Top Tier) as I stated in my list previously. Ever since he's been fixed demand has been rising and with the recent increase in Verore-Decks Subjugated Dragon demand rose a lot and people are willing to give much for him, thus he should be Top Tier (2 at least!) imho ;)

Tome Of The Dead also got a massive increase in demand. I had 12 tomes before Infestation. Everybody and anybody wanted a tome from me and they were offering me a lot (Paladin 1:1, Demons 1:1, Mass Death 1:1). So while I wouldn't say it's a Top Tier 3 rare I'd at least make it a Top Tier 1 rare if not 2.


Other than that I think your values are pretty solid and in some cases maybe a little more accurate than my previous list (didn't we just talk about biasing? ^^) and with the above changes I'd easily say I can agree 90% with your values.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 27, 2014, 12:32:40 PM
As usual thanks for the feedback guys :)
No offense taken, I'm no god - just a dude making lists!

Updated, taking your latest replies into account.
Helpful as always fellas.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: LEGION346 on February 28, 2014, 11:30:29 PM
Hello
Which rarity cards an how many of them can I receive for 3 Common Platinum Cards and 1 Uncommon Platinum? I want to know to trade them carefully
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on February 28, 2014, 11:58:19 PM
It really comes down to the specific cards, and on the trade partner.
I'd imagine if your commons/uncommons are from the Core set, and are regularly used in popular decks, you can get a few rares or an epic for those. If they are from Rise it would be a bit of a harder sell as they can be found easier (and same applies to Infestation).
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: TheB0jangles on March 13, 2014, 10:41:14 AM
love it has helped me learn about crads more effectively and make better trades
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: mortikal on March 14, 2014, 03:57:48 PM
with the newer sets coming out with unlimited cards that aren't part of campaign rewards, What are your thoughts on evaluating these.  examples being uncontrolled rift and survival swarmer.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: PickledCarrots on March 14, 2014, 04:25:33 PM
with the newer sets coming out with unlimited cards that aren't part of campaign rewards, What are your thoughts on evaluating these.  examples being uncontrolled rift and survival swarmer.

The values of cards is always dependant on a few things

1) How hard are they to get
2) How rare is the card
3) How many are needed in a deck
4) How useful they are
5) How popular are they with streamers, top players

Uncontrolled rifts is an uncommon. It is factionless so the difficulty of getting them is quite a bit higher than most uncommons since you can't draft them easily. For most competitive decks that have Rifts in them, I would say they need 5-15 of them. I will use 10 as an average. 

Their usage have dwindled with the latest patch since essentially they got a double nerf due to the Aether Acolyte's nerf. However, they are still useful card and slightly popular than most uncommons. This is mainly due to the reason noted above.

Anything unlimited card that doesn't get a full set provided as a normal progression award tends to be valued higher than normal (Sleepers vs. Endless). The downside is you only have 1, they tend to be equal value.

So for me originally,

1 Rift = 1 Mid tier Uncommon (Sac, Lucca, etc)
3 Riits = 1 Mid or Higher tier Rare
9-10 Rifts = 1 Mid tier Epic
15-16 Rifts = 1 Mid tier Legendary

With the nerfs, it's hard to say since Rifts decks will be slightly less played now. I will add maybe 1-2 Rifts at minimum per level.


Hope this helps.

Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on March 15, 2014, 04:52:56 AM
I might throw the specific 2 unlimited cards that have been added as a note, but not sure if they fit anywhere in the tier list at all.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on March 15, 2014, 04:53:18 AM
love it has helped me learn about cards more effectively and make better trades

Glad I could help :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on March 15, 2014, 08:50:45 AM
Updated a bit, also made all cards links via the new feature of AletasArchive.com
Mouse-over to see the cards :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Cthulhu Girl on March 15, 2014, 11:31:40 AM
Looks good, but I'm still really confused on trading premium cards. I feel like it's hard to find people interested, especially if the premium card isn't something that's commonly used. For example, I have a gold Crystal of Madness but I never see anyone use this card so I'm not sure if I'd consider it to be 2-3 times the value even if it is Rare.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: oilfire30 on March 15, 2014, 12:52:04 PM
Thanks, Kindran, taken some into account.

Not sure about some of your suggestions though, would love to hear you expand upon them (namely: Nysrugh, Hinekri, Hehkeem)

Nysrugh isn't that useful at the moment as he goes against the new nature of Exiles. There are some decks that revolve around him, but they aren't as good as other decks that revolve around specific cards. As an epic card I feel like he is lackluster.

Princess Hinekri, although wanted, only has value as a collector card. She does not posses much of a threat at all in games, nor does she have any decks that revolve around her.

Hehkeem has seen a major buff in the fact that 3 purity Sleeper decks are now a thing. With so many low cost characters within the Sleeper faction he now plays a vital role. Mainly he is like a smaller Call the Warpath, both in size of characters spawned and cost. This is insanely nice as he is not a huge overkill, but still gets the job done of winning games at a lower, more friendly, cost.

I actually like Princess Hinekri, It's very hard to harm her unless the opponent uses an ability card, and if there is some day whare an ability card can permenently give cards untouchable, then she is LITERALY invinvible, I would find that a well wanted card not only for gameplay strategies, she only costs 1 purity, and she also has a great design and value worth, therefore I would put down either a Defiant Hermit or even a Martyr golem in exchange for her.

Also how can I make a descussion or a list like you have?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: JesusChristMD on March 16, 2014, 07:13:18 AM
I would trade my hinekri's for martyr golems all day long.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: oilfire30 on March 18, 2014, 12:15:27 PM
Hi I have a question.
How many legendaries do you think a foil The Defiant Hermit would be worth for each teir of legendary?
thanks
Oilfire30
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: oilfire30 on March 19, 2014, 07:22:11 AM
Looks good, but I'm still really confused on trading premium cards. I feel like it's hard to find people interested, especially if the premium card isn't something that's commonly used. For example, I have a gold Crystal of Madness but I never see anyone use this card so I'm not sure if I'd consider it to be 2-3 times the value even if it is Rare.

Some people like to have premium cards as a way of saying "HEY!!! Look At Me, I have an exclusive preorder card, check it out".  And collectors like plat, gold, and foil cards because they like having every card, I once traded a bunch of my plats away and not only did I earn a profit per card (example, giving 2 plat rares and getting 3 back), but I also got a bunch of survival swarmers as well. So if you're not a collector then you might not find any extra value just because it's a plat, but collectors will find them very valueable. Also, the reason plat cards are rarely used is because they are pre-order/testing exclusive, so if people don't preorder or aren't lucky enough to get a card before release, then they'll have to trade to get plats.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: SE_Lain on March 28, 2014, 12:03:26 AM
Hey, first off Hitori, many thx for guide, helped out a lot in my trading ventures =)
I'm also confused about premium cards value; yesterday i did a trade, 2 foils and 1 gold; common foil from warpath, death ray foil and whole slaughter gold; i got eagle-eye x1 and mechanism x1; was ok with the trade, later on i talked to another iw player and he told he got 3 rares for his common gold card; today i got another foil in a booster, zombie scavenger, i traded it for 3 rares, protector of the dawn, granthar and summoning stone!! Lol i don't get it..
Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Screamindiz on March 28, 2014, 12:05:23 AM
some folks value foils and golds at a much higher rate than others. Honestly as long as you are happy with the trade then it was a good trade.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: oilfire30 on March 28, 2014, 02:32:05 AM
Hey, first off Hitori, many thx for guide, helped out a lot in my trading ventures =)
I'm also confused about premium cards value; yesterday i did a trade, 2 foils and 1 gold; common foil from warpath, death ray foil and whole slaughter gold; i got eagle-eye x1 and mechanism x1; was ok with the trade, later on i talked to another iw player and he told he got 3 rares for his common gold card; today i got another foil in a booster, zombie scavenger, i traded it for 3 rares, protector of the dawn, granthar and summoning stone!! Lol i don't get it..
Any thoughts?
Simple answer: Collectors want every card with every kind of backround to have a 100% card list, and by 100% I mean they wand gold, plat, foil, and normal versions of what kind of cards they are wanting to get. I was once trading with someone and I got 1 extra of any card I gave that was plat (example, I gave 2 plat anglifies and got 3 normal ones back) and if I remember correctly, I also got 6-10 swarmes aswell for trading a bunch of my plats away, I have to admit, I am not a big collector, but if I have a card I want to use that I also have a plat of, I will add the plat versions first to say that I am a loyal player of Infinity wars.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: SE_Lain on March 28, 2014, 12:14:05 PM
Think i get now =) not really much of premium cards collector yet, maybe when i have the cards i need i'll get into it. Just started a few weeks ago. Thx for the feedbak oilfire30 and Screamindiz
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on March 30, 2014, 08:31:42 AM
Been sick for a while so sorry for the late replies, let me try and somehow be lately-helpful:

Cthulhu -
Premium cards are always a matter of collector value, so you need to find the right collector to trade them to (someone who absolutely LOVES 'The Exiles' faction). You can easily get a very good epic or maybe even a legendary for such a card from the right person.

oilfire30 -
To make a discussion like mine simply make a thread here in these forums, unless I'm confusing your intent? As for the list and how I made it, there are options in the forum posting right above the spot where you write your comment or original post, play around with them to make your post as cool looking as mine!
Hi I have a question.
How many legendaries do you think a foil The Defiant Hermit would be worth for each teir of legendary?
thanks
Oilfire30
I would say that a foil Hermit would easily be...priceless :)
If you trade it you can ask for whatever you want, and you won't be too greedy. There can't be more than 10 or so of these in circulation, and who knows if there ever will be.
If you absolutely need a number of legendary cards you can ask for it, 5+ of any tier you want sounds fair to me. But that's me...


SE_Lain -
Hey, first off Hitori, many thx for guide, helped out a lot in my trading ventures =)
I'm also confused about premium cards value; yesterday i did a trade, 2 foils and 1 gold; common foil from warpath, death ray foil and whole slaughter gold; i got eagle-eye x1 and mechanism x1; was ok with the trade, later on i talked to another iw player and he told he got 3 rares for his common gold card; today i got another foil in a booster, zombie scavenger, i traded it for 3 rares, protector of the dawn, granthar and summoning stone!! Lol i don't get it..
Any thoughts?

All of these trades sound fair to me, I think a foil/gold common/uncommon is worth about 1 rare, but some people find them way more valuable, especially specific ones (or specific factions). It all comes down to the collector, as I try to explain in the guide.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Eisenbaer on April 23, 2014, 07:30:41 PM
So around what value would you assign a gold Candit? I only ask because premium vevore cards are popular and candit looks like she could be a card that vevore fans flock too.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: hyakusiki on April 30, 2014, 01:46:14 AM
Just how much am I supposed to pay for a Demon of Fear? I have been offering to trade a Protector of the Dawn and a Skraar for a Demon but apparently this is not enough.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Kejmur on May 03, 2014, 03:58:00 PM
Just how much am I supposed to pay for a Demon of Fear? I have been offering to trade a Protector of the Dawn and a Skraar for a Demon but apparently this is not enough.

I find people paying pretty decent epic card for each Demon of Fear, demand on this card is ridiculous and honestly it doesn't show up often in packs, so I think it's fair price. Bottom or even High Tier Epic for Demon of Fear is normal value now. Of course this is 100% subjective, but it's really hard to find someone who trades their Demons for less nowadays.

Now I wonder how would you guys value Star Trek cards, especially platinum ones as honestly I have no idea how to value them now.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on May 10, 2014, 12:38:22 PM
I'm a bit out of touch with the game and the community at the moment, been busy with real life sadly. Can't even begin to make a trade-list and value the Star Trek cards at the moment, but if anyone have ideas feel free to help people by posting here :)

As for the Demon of Fear question from 10 days ago, I'd say 3 mid-high tier Rares for it are OK, or a mid-high tier Epic, but that's a subjective view as Kejmur stated.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: hyakusiki on May 12, 2014, 06:28:41 AM
I'm a bit out of touch with the game and the community at the moment, been busy with real life sadly. Can't even begin to make a trade-list and value the Star Trek cards at the moment, but if anyone have ideas feel free to help people by posting here :)

As for the Demon of Fear question from 10 days ago, I'd say 3 mid-high tier Rares for it are OK, or a mid-high tier Epic, but that's a subjective view as Kejmur stated.
Well better late than never, so thank you for your reply. What do you think about trading Dark Wish for Demons though? Is it reasonable to expect 2 or 3 Demons for a single Dark Wish?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Adorabear on May 12, 2014, 08:35:29 AM
I'm a bit out of touch with the game and the community at the moment, been busy with real life sadly. Can't even begin to make a trade-list and value the Star Trek cards at the moment, but if anyone have ideas feel free to help people by posting here :)

As for the Demon of Fear question from 10 days ago, I'd say 3 mid-high tier Rares for it are OK, or a mid-high tier Epic, but that's a subjective view as Kejmur stated.
Well better late than never, so thank you for your reply. What do you think about trading Dark Wish for Demons though? Is it reasonable to expect 2 or 3 Demons for a single Dark Wish?

IMO demon of fear is about the same as a darkwish. Darkwish might be worth slightly more but 2 demons would be way too many, and 3 would be rediculous.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on May 14, 2014, 04:47:23 PM
As Adora put it, I'd have to agree.
There's a weird thing with Demons, where each player would ideally want 6 of them, while you would never need more than 3 Wishes.

But if you can get 2 Demons for your Wish I'd say it's a good deal, and not a rip off, by any means. It's fair if both sides are satisfied with what they got.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: oilfire30 on May 26, 2014, 08:14:01 AM
As Adora put it, I'd have to agree.
There's a weird thing with Demons, where each player would ideally want 6 of them, while you would never need more than 3 Wishes.

But if you can get 2 Demons for your Wish I'd say it's a good deal, and not a rip off, by any means. It's fair if both sides are satisfied with what they got.

People want 6 so that they can have all 3 commander slots filled with Demon Of Fear, and then 3 for the rest of the deck.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: mandroid9000 on May 27, 2014, 07:26:18 PM
According to this guide, Agent Coyle, Mechborn and The Defiant Hermit are of equal value.  Yesterday I went into the trading post offering my Mechborn for a Hermit and people got onto me saying things like I would need to throw in a top tier epic + rare for it to be fair.  Am I missing something?  Is this guide out of date, or are people trying to take advantage of noobs?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Cleanse on May 30, 2014, 12:51:39 PM
The value of the cards aren't set in stone - its supply and demand.

Not saying that I agree or disagree with the merit of proposed trades, but if they're able to find someone willing to do it (who is reasonably well-versed in the game and understands the rough value of the cards) then good for them. As long as both parties are happy, what's the harm?

I think you'd find when/if an Auction House is implemented a lot of the values would be markedly different than what the received wisdom is.

With respect to the OP, which admits its a bit out of date, my experience is with rares is that people are happy to do 1:1 for ANY rare, apart from a small number of notably powerful ones (Demon of Fear, Paladin of the Flame Dawn, Tome of the Dead) and a handful of notably terrible ones.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: ceces on May 30, 2014, 12:55:03 PM
i was trying to trade a dark with for a calamity, and a guy was asking for more then just dark wish >.>
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Knive8s9704 on June 19, 2014, 08:39:00 PM
i was trying to trade a dark with for a calamity, and a guy was asking for more then just dark wish >.>

If its any consolation, I would totes trade a calamity for your dark wish ;)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on June 20, 2014, 10:40:12 PM
The tier-listing in the guide is certainly out of date, but I keep it in just so people have some idea of how to evaluate cards. This is far from a fixed price or a community-wide accepted value-list.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: randomasta on June 20, 2014, 11:19:51 PM
What's the value of plat Sol? and compared to the normal one? Seems like everyone's looking for it. I often make bad trades cause I don't really care, but looks like I can get quite a lot for this one.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on June 21, 2014, 02:54:15 AM
With current demand Sol is a 'top-tier' legendary, so plat top-tier legendary it is. You can probably get 2x legends or 6x epic and so on.

That said, it's - as always - changed by the partner in trading.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: randomasta on June 21, 2014, 04:06:17 PM
Thanks, I'll go with that as a base
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Gabusan on July 02, 2014, 10:42:05 AM
Why dont you update this? The new starter decks should have changed the value of some cards. Also, I believe all the Aletas should be much lower in the list, seeing they are only used as commanders and almost never played from the deck. Just having 1 Aleta is enough for most people.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Hitori on August 07, 2014, 10:40:04 PM
Gabusan, I'm not as active as I used to be - that's why I don't update the tier values. There are many players that play more often then me and can give you a better idea of specific values. You suggestions will be taken into consideration when I decide to update it, for sure (there was just a new patch so values shifted extremely).

I could remove it completely or just leave it here so that I have something to work with whenever I decide to update it :)
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Kevkas on September 15, 2014, 05:23:27 AM
According to this guide, Agent Coyle, Mechborn and The Defiant Hermit are of equal value.  Yesterday I went into the trading post offering my Mechborn for a Hermit and people got onto me saying things like I would need to throw in a top tier epic + rare for it to be fair.  Am I missing something?  Is this guide out of date, or are people trying to take advantage of noobs?

The tier-listing in the guide is certainly out of date, but I keep it in just so people have some idea of how to evaluate cards. This is far from a fixed price or a community-wide accepted value-list.

What Mandroid9000 said happens a lot, and lately I see people who want to trade using card prices from websites that sell IW cards as a reference. Although I realize Hitori's guide is outdated, I still think it's a valuable resource, and for me this guide and all comments in it have more influence in my trading criteria than whatever card price a website puts on a card. Those pages tend to put higher prices on whatever card is on demand at the moment, which doesn't necessarily mean those cards are worth that much in a trade, when compared to other lower-priced cards.

I think using a website that sells cards as the trading criteria is not the best thing to do, but maybe that's just my opinion, trading is a very subjective thing so I understand people wanting to make the most out of their trades, I just don't feel inclined to follow those websites criteria, I've seen more than a couple of bad examples of what a 'fair trade' would be like if you follow those prices.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Symphony on September 15, 2014, 10:04:58 AM
You have to understand that IW's trading market is influenced by the same factors that affect real life market, namely search and demand. If a card is on high demand during a period of time (like MU02 after Manchy's deck or Lanstead after the changes) it is to be expected that people will charge more for it, even if it the card's usability is just in a niche deck and whatnot.
Expecting people to base their trade values only in a card's usability is a bit naive, specially when real money is likely to be involved in order to get certain cards.

On the subject of the websites, they're pretty valuable for people that trade by value, specially if you're talking about premiums. When, for example, you want to buy a few Rise/core platinum cards, the websites are great places to set up a threshold for the card's value, as it's very difficult to ascertain that value based on usability alone.

But yeah, you're right. What most players usually tell people asking for trade advice is that trade values are highly subjective and will depend on many factors, including search and demand and the subjective viewpoint of the people involved in the trade.

Trading is not a precise science and no one is pretending it is. We just end up finding out that treating it like one helps us solve many situations where total subjectiveness doesn't make it easier for either parts in a trade.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Deadguy on October 13, 2014, 04:31:48 AM
So I just got a platinum common I don't really want, what would it be worth in playable cards? Is a rare from one of the starter decks asking too much? Too little?
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: DrayGon777 on October 13, 2014, 01:41:57 PM
As has been stated, it depends on who you trade it with and what they are willing to trade in return for said card. The premiums are more varied than regular cards as they only gain more value in the eyes of collectors that place value in the premium effect. For instance, I wouldn't trade for a platinum my self as I am only interested in the play value of the card and am fine with normal cards. On the other hand, I know that the platinums I have will be more valuable in a future date so I'm not trading my platinums away unless they are for someone else's platinums so I can maintain the potential value of the card for when they enevitably rise. That's just my take on the platinum premium cards. Best I can suggest is to ask around in game to find those interested in the card, and seeing what they are willing to offer for it, then go for the offer that you view is best.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Interesting_Socks on May 08, 2015, 12:04:23 AM
I've found shield generator very hard to obtain and I think it should be higher on the list.

It's also an extremely good card and vital to any 3p gi deck.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: mew28 on February 14, 2016, 02:04:45 PM
Some one unpin this list and replace it with Chazs it is out of date and is not very helpful anymore.
Title: Re: Hitori's Guide For the New Trader!
Post by: Pelagoth on June 29, 2016, 06:17:56 AM
Some one unpin this list and replace it with Chazs it is out of date and is not very helpful anymore.
Would you say that this topic is rokken bottem?